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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Stein

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our old friend Don Ecker is back on the

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power cast now for a time his Dark

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Matters radio show was looking for a

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home and he found it and we'll talk

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about that a little bit later we have

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Randall okay Randall Murphy joining us

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and later we may even hear from Chris

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O'Brien done we're glad you're back in

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the game here and we're gonna raise a

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ruckus

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today how's that wow that sounds great

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because by god I'm ready to raise one

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you sounded like that just to brief

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pre-show conversation he is already

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ready to do things that you don't want

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to hear about now he did write something

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in our forums at forum not the podcast

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calm about the fate of a certain

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individual that we all know about who's

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pulled some pretty unfortunate stunts

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and we'll go back here the right the

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right term is criminal let's sit that -

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okay so we go back to the May 23rd 2006

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episode of the power cast we're kind of

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getting our legs on the show trying out

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different guests and some you know are

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pretty credible some are wacky and one

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of the wackiest people we had on the

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show was a guy named Sean David Morton

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and he made all sorts of claims of

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knowing people forget about the other

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stuff he was doing which we'll get into

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in a moment but in the early days we

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asked him a bunch of questions and he

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answered those questions

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unfortunately the big problem there is

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that his answers tended to be lies and I

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mean we'd think that somebody who was

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supposedly an intelligent guy would

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realize we check them we check up on

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what he said not just put him on the air

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half

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say any wacky thing he wanted to say

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been accepted how did you encounter

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first Sean David Morton done many many

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years ago through the auspices of UFO

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magazine he was then really pushing

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himself on to the UFO stage and I'm

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talking about the very late 1980s the

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very early 1990s his first claim to fame

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as far as I was concerned involved the

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Bob Lazar story and area 51 and our

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George Knapp had broken those stories on

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television and before you know it they

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literally were spanning the globe a lot

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of people were trying to grab a piece of

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that story and Shawn David Morton was

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one of them and he ended up taking

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people out to the desert near where the

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base is the area 51 base and he wanted

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to show them UFOs and unfortunately

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practically all the UFOs that he ended

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up showing them were in fact aircraft

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flying in to the base the guy was was

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then coming out with some amazing

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stories as a little bit of time went by

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how his father had introduced him to the

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astronaut corps how he found out through

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covert means that the United States of

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America had a secret secret space

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program we had covert secret bases on

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the moon on Mars and I mean gene he

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really took this for all it was worth

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and then lest I forget somewhere along

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the line he became one of America's

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the United States of America's premier

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psychics and people like art Bell would

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bring this fraud on the air and just let

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him spew nonsense practically non-stop

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America's foremost to follow gist that's

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how I used to hey Chris how's it going

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buddy hey done that's how he used to

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tout himself I remember god I think I

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don't think was UFO magazine let's

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probably wanna Beckley's rags it was an

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ad for tours to go out there at 51 and

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your guide is the world's foremost

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ufologist well yeah back in those days

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Chris I I got to admit that our old

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buddy Tim Beckley would sure bring on

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some how can I be really genteel and

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polite questionable figures and Shawn

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David Morton was definitely one of those

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questionable figures other questionable

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figures he would bring on were people

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like Milton William bill Cooper but hey

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well you see the thing is here Tim

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looked at publishing as a way to make

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money and if an author seemed to have

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the potential of selling books he'd

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forget whether he accepted the person's

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theories he look at the sales potential

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which you know nothing wrong with making

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a buck but you have to question that

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exactly if you have no standards if you

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have no ethics I'm sure he looked at it

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and he said why not well and this is the

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thing too I would have liked to have you

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and Tim together on the show we had Tim

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on a couple of weeks ago unless we gotta

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ask for the power of casts but let's

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leave that aside and let's cut to the

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chase for Sean David Morton now he got

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himself in legal trouble not because he

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leads people on trips somewhere or makes

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wacky claims or claims to know people he

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does not know he did something that got

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him the attention of the law-enforcement

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authorities

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and they went after him yeah like taking

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six million dollars from people who

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believed he was a psychic stock

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prognosticator and then then he turned

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around and initially he got away him and

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his wife Melissa got away with it and

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and I mean right here what I'm about to

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say proves to me my standards that the

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man is insane

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he took the Internal Revenue Service the

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IRS for a half a million dollars now

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you're gonna steal a half a million

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dollars ladies and gentlemen is a former

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police officer and detective let me tell

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you you don't want to scam the IRS

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because they have a long reach they have

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people everywhere and you're just simply

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putting a great big red target on your

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back and the IRS went looking for Sean I

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think if he's gonna steal half a million

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dollars from somebody there are so many

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other places where he could get it and

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maybe not get caught although I don't

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know how those things work maybe not get

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caught but you go after place where

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you're bound to trip up and get found

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out well you know I I have one when I

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was a cop I have looked for people that

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skipped out okay had gone to court been

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found guilty released on their own

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recognizance while they are setting up

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the date for the sentencing whatever

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that might be and some people said ah

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screw this man I'm not sticking around

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to see how bad they're going to nail me

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Morton he was arrested he was taken to

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court under federal statue he was found

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guilty

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okay and they were going to sentence him

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and the day that he was to go back to

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court just be sentenced there's roughly

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a couple of months ago two months ago he

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split now okay that much I can

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let's receipt our next segment we'll

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find out more of the story of the

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downfall of Sean David Morton and more

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we're kind of catching up here with Don

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para cast calm so we're hearing about

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the downfall of Sean and David Morton

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Donecker please proceed well the day of

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his sentencing he was supposed to show

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up in court and unfortunately for the

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court not necessarily for Sean he

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decided to skip well if you're gonna

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skip out and you're going to have

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federal marshals the FB I every law

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enforcement agency potentially in the

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United States on the lookout for you

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everybody except well maybe not the Girl

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Scouts of America but everybody else

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yeah make yourself scarce but not our

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boy Sean oh no a couple of weeks back or

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a week or so I forget exactly what the

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date was somebody in the paranormal talk

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radio field ended up doing an interview

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with Sean while he was on the lam as

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soon as I heard that I started laughing

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my tail end off I thought this he

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is a but I thought he was smarter

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than that and basically he was thumbing

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his nose at every federal cop in the

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United States and sure as God made

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little green apples they nailed him and

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his wife

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custody at the time she was out on her

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own recognizance until her sentencing

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was to take place but part of her parole

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if

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you will was that she was to have

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absolutely no contact through computers

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cell phones or any other way with Sean

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David I mean he's on the lam well

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apparently she did so the day that they

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nabbed Sean

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they also scooped her up and I got a

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feeling that Sean had 85 months that he

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was potentially looking at before he

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went on the lam they're gonna jack a few

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more years on him just because of this

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stupid stunt he just pulled what is he a

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guy in his 50s or something I'm thinking

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if he has to spend you know 15 20 years

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in the slammer you know that's it for

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him he's gonna be looking at false teeth

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no hair his life is not really going to

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be that great once he gets out providing

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of course he gets out there's no telling

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the guy the guy is a con man so you know

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just because I have some small

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experience with some of these people in

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jail he could get in there and start

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pulling a con on some of the wrong

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people inside and he could end up in in

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a real sticky wicket if you know what I

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mean yeah of the inmates are gonna

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be lining up for the latest jailbait

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coming in come on Sean let's go to the

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showers I've got the soap oh my god they

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may put him in a maximum security and

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with some pretty bad people because of

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the stunt that he pulled usually as

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crimes like that they go minimum

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security or medium security but it's a

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combination of that Plus during the

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trial he evidently exercised his right

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to represent himself they say only a

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fool would have himself as a client

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evidently he was one of the things that

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really upset the the judge in the case

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was he was filing all these frivolous

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motions he's done everything that you

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can possibly do to really get the book

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thrown at you because of the way your

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handling yourself after being arrested

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and arraigned to me it just smacks of

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someone that lives in some weird

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delusional reality because a normal sane

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person would be doing the exact opposite

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they'd be trying to be as cooperative

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and as non-abrasive as possible in in

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this kind of a situation I at least I

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would think I would be groveling before

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the IRS if I were him I'd say all my

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heavens I'm sorry I didn't realize what

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I was doing you know I'm just crazy

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crazy yeah crazy about all that money so

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well yeah it was very funny hear about

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or unfortunate about Morton I was

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talking at one time with a fellow

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talk-show host over at GCN and we talked

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about maybe exchanging guest host spots

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and I learned that this particular

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person I won't mention the name believed

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Morton was telling the truth this is not

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that many years ago and I had to

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acquaint that person with the UFO

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watchdog calm blog and site and all this

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background information so as much as we

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had all been railing against people like

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him the word doesn't always get out to

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the right people you know it's like you

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expose a UFO hoax and guess what it's

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not exposed no that's been true

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throughout the entire history of UFO

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so-called research gene you know that

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for God's sake right so-called research

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that's our problem just recently I think

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the bobwhite artifact is surfaced again

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and they're still claiming that that's

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some kind of legitimate artifact when

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it's been pretty thoroughly debunked

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already well in some of these

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personalities too I happened to check

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out the UFO Congress line up to see see

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what speakers they had lined up and they

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already have Don Schmitt up there you

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know like nothing happened with the

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Roswell mummy and it's just these people

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look like using Don's analogy they're

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like Dracula but it doesn't matter how

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many times you stick us steak and I make

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they keep coming back

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you want to hear a funny one and this

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you guys will appreciate this I mean God

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knows I appreciate it

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I can barely believe it but I

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appreciated you all will remember a few

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years ago when cow cake Corp was

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imploding and exploding all over the

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internet back in in 2007 2008 2009 when

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he was running around claiming he was a

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colonel in the Israeli founded special

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secret services he had a spot on Rob

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McConnell's exone every week when he was

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in Prague Czechoslovakia he would have a

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time where he didn't have a phone so he

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would go to a phone booth that had been

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pre-selected Rob McConnell would call

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him up in the phone booth and Cal Korff

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would have a spot on McConnell's show

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where he would talk about all kinds of

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crazy nonsense all right not the least

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of which when he was out hunting for a

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bombs in the Iraqi desert and you know

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his special secret services were going

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to you know get all these UFO frauds

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like Ray Santilli and cow was gonna go

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put the handcuffs on them himself I mean

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this stuff was actually going out over

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the air with McConnell and he was

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getting away with it until he referred

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to Kevin Randle okay and we all know

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Kevin been a long long time researcher

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very well known and and pretty highly

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regarded in the field of research he

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claimed that he wanted to have a debate

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with Randle

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we got more time Don Ecker Randall

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thank you for listening to GCS

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Tylar time to go for a family walk yeah

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just let me nap a little you promised

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we'd get more active no I know how come

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you're so ready to go super berries

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wellness where'd you get em I ordered

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them from super berries calm / radio and

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wait to try them I'll get it all choose

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Hill's eat purple super berries calm if

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you had purchased 100 dollars of Bitcoin

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in 2010 today you'd have two million six

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country my question to you is do you

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know when and are you prepared most

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people don't but my friends over at

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Randle and Schmitt were were right there

570
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at the very top of the heap so Korff

571
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claimed he wanted to debate Randall this

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all was being announced by Rob McConnell

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and unfortunately for whatever reason

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nobody bothered to tell Randall about it

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so obviously Randall never showed up

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well then Court began running around

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calling Randall a coward he was too

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cowardly to debate cow now of course

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this was nonsense but with that being

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said when Randall found out about it he

581
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was rightly outraged and he said well

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I'm sure I'll debate him any day of the

583
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week well McConnell set up another

584
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debate at the literally the last moment

585
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Korff didn't show up he later told

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McConnell the reason he didn't show up

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is that emergency came up in his Israeli

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founded special secret services were on

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a mission and he had to go on the

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mission

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I mean this you can't make this stuff up

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so McConnell finally and he was feeling

593
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a lot of heat from a lot of people on

594
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the web I mean this guy Korff had done

595
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some very very despicable things jr.

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former co-host David B Edney was one of

597
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the people that was targeted by Korff

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the problem with David is he got so hot

599
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under the collar I think he almost

600
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threatened Korff at one time I can't

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blame I can't blame you at me for that

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right you don't do that you don't do

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that just because somebody is a jerk or

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stupid sure sure

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I mean in a perfect world you don't okay

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but there are those times when when

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things become very heated either through

608
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your own fault or through somebody

609
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else's fault Korff tried to hit me at me

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in the wallet alright he tried to have

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him expelled from an Apple Forum up in

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San Francisco where b.ed knee was going

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to speak now

614
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Royce Myers the third the guy that has

615
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the UFO watchdog Korff was really

616
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getting angry at the heat that Myers was

617
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shining on Korff for some of his

618
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outrageous conduct not to mention the

619
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lies that Korff was running around

620
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spewing Korff called his job now here's

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a man that's married he's got a family

622
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kids Korff tried to get him fired he did

623
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all this from Prague and of course he

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basically was untouchable now on dark

625
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matters radio when I was doing it on

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cyber station USA I finally had my fill

627
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of it because he had also gone after me

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now okay I'm a big boy and if you're in

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this field you better develop a thick

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skin and he started pulling some of this

631
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malarkey on me so I said fine okay you

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wanna you want to have a little debate

633
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so I went after him to get him now he at

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the time was was filling himself as a

635
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skeptic well basically a debunker I

636
00:31:33,470 --> 00:31:30,200
tried to get him to come on my show and

637
00:31:36,620 --> 00:31:33,480
he refused to even acknowledge the

638
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invitations but then when it got hot and

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I ended up doing a show where I just

640
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drugged him through the swamp okay I had

641
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a number of people on that he had pulled

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this malarkey with including B Edna

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randal a woman who Korff had threatened

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and then threatened her sixteen-year-old

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daughter and i just brought it out for

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the whole world to see okay so what does

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he do he goes and he stole the identity

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of an actual lawyer here in the state of

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California he sent me this phony letter

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I still have it and he sent one to my

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network in the guise of this lawyer

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threatening to sue if they didn't fire

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me now we are so careful on the other

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hand as possible the court will go after

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my network next but then I could just

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call up Alex Jones if you think we can

657
00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:40,980
be pretty tough on people Alex Jones is

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in his own way pretty far out there so

659
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let me get to the good part of this

660
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story yeah yeah this is the good part of

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the story so Rob McConnell at some point

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during all this process finally had his

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fill of korff

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and he got rid of him he dropped his cow

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course spot on his weekly show and of

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course Cal quark being cow Korff went

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off his rocker

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in the meantime McConnell got in some

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another this is airing a little dirty

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laundry but hey it was public got into

671
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:26,130
some kind of physical confrontation with

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his wife and she sump Tim good left

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00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:33,630
black eyes and everything else there

674
00:33:39,290 --> 00:33:35,490
were some pictures in the local news

675
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media taken of McConnell's face okay

676
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Korff got his hands on these photographs

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and he was so enraged at mcconnell

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getting rid of them that he went on a

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rampage doing everything he could do to

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embarrass and humiliate rob mcconnell

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now that was several years ago in the

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meantime she have an randall once again

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back

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into the forefront gets a show a weekly

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program on Rob

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McConnell's Exim and in the last two

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weeks out of the blue

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Rob McConnell and Cal Korff kiss huggy

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huggy kissy Kissy makeup and calc Worf

690
00:34:31,490 --> 00:34:28,349
once again has a spot on Rob McConnell's

691
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ex own so I called Randall up and I said

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hey pal I said I got a question for you

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00:34:42,649 --> 00:34:37,409
did you know that McConnell springing

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back Cal Korff yeah and I waited and I

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waited and I finally I said well what

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are you gonna do about it

697
00:34:58,240 --> 00:34:54,539
well disappoint nothing Gavin my god

698
00:35:02,029 --> 00:34:58,250
did you forget so you know this is why

699
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:02,039
gene Chris and everybody that this field

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is as screwed up as it is because no one

701
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or very few I should say are willing to

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take a stand

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draw a line and say this far and

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absolutely no further no no they will be

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done that

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McConnell felt that maybe calc Worf is

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good for ratings and as a commercial

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connection there because I don't know

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what does this guy even have to say

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anymore he did write one real book as I

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recall most of it I might add what's

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plagiarized Oh was it tell me more

713
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oh my god the Billy Meyer thing now yeah

714
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okay he did supposedly go undercover at

715
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Meyers compound you know with real long

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hair a beard blah blah blah he was Steve

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okay from I don't know somewhere out

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west he wanted to check out the building

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minor thing by that time a lot of people

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had written a lot of expose x' and like

721
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just about everything Korff ever wrote

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he got copied and pasted the majority of

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it I didn't mention the other crazy

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thing about our boy Calvin the

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we do that we're gonna have to do our

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break here and let's just prepare oh

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[Music]

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this is Leslie Kane and I'm with the

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Coalition for freedom of information and

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you are listening to the podcast okay

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Don Ecker we're talking about the I was

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going to say something about Cal Korff

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but of course this is commercial radio

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so I am I am prevented from doing it but

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before we talk about anything else I got

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talk to you about after the para cast

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now last week speaking of Tim Beckley

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Tim Beckley joined us last weekend after

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the para cast and Randall was with us

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and we had fun with Beckley because he's

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let us continue yeah I wanted to mention

868
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something that I almost let pass in

869
00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:25,020
passing about our boy Cal Korff back in

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his heyday which was roughly ten years

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ago eight ten years ago some of the

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crazy tales he was coming out with

873
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worldwide I might add worldwide to the

874
00:42:47,870 --> 00:42:44,370
tune of even the James Randi foundation

875
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:47,880
was taking a very critical look at him

876
00:42:54,350 --> 00:42:50,880
because he had been in their camp they

877
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thought as a as a debunker and a skeptic

878
00:43:01,100 --> 00:42:57,330
and even the massive website above

879
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:01,110
top-secret took a very very critical eye

880
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:04,850
at Korff but he was coming out with

881
00:43:12,050 --> 00:43:09,330
stories like being a first a captain

882
00:43:15,380 --> 00:43:12,060
that was promoted to Colonel in the

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special secret services is

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we founded now he was claiming at that

885
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time that a Saudi Arabian Sheik had

886
00:43:36,849 --> 00:43:30,990
given him 25 million dollars to finance

887
00:43:42,140 --> 00:43:36,859
this and book publishers like Prometheus

888
00:43:44,809 --> 00:43:42,150
had given him a contract for a series of

889
00:43:49,490 --> 00:43:44,819
are you ready for this number this this

890
00:43:52,700 --> 00:43:49,500
is we of course talked about prolific

891
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:52,710
authors like the late Isaac Asimov or or

892
00:44:01,009 --> 00:43:56,400
someone like Brett Steiger 160 or 170

893
00:44:03,289 --> 00:44:01,019
books and that's over lifetimes but what

894
00:44:06,049 --> 00:44:03,299
kind of deal that Prometheus allegedly

895
00:44:11,470 --> 00:44:06,059
give to calc or somebody with no record

896
00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:11,480
of being a major major seller of books

897
00:44:19,299 --> 00:44:15,180
Korff was claiming a contract where he

898
00:44:22,730 --> 00:44:19,309
was going to write and have published

899
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:22,740
500 books that's only in the first

900
00:44:31,789 --> 00:44:26,450
weekend yeah well here's the funny part

901
00:44:35,329 --> 00:44:31,799
he was claiming for years now that you

902
00:44:37,849 --> 00:44:35,339
know he had a series of books that was

903
00:44:40,430 --> 00:44:37,859
just on the cusp and this is for years

904
00:44:44,499 --> 00:44:40,440
he's been claiming this just on the cusp

905
00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:44,509
of being published a whole series

906
00:44:52,370 --> 00:44:50,569
dealing with international terrorism and

907
00:45:01,460 --> 00:44:52,380
UFO frauds

908
00:45:04,700 --> 00:45:01,470
that include one gigantic mirror I can't

909
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:04,710
say I don't know but you know the man is

910
00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:07,920
obviously you know and has been a

911
00:45:16,130 --> 00:45:11,730
resident of Looney Toon Ville for a very

912
00:45:17,569 --> 00:45:16,140
very long time so let's finish up on

913
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:17,579
this guy because I got to tell you I

914
00:45:23,140 --> 00:45:19,410
feel already I have to go in and take a

915
00:45:27,620 --> 00:45:23,150
shower now but you know he was living in

916
00:45:28,610 --> 00:45:27,630
Czechoslovakia in Prague until he ripped

917
00:45:34,700 --> 00:45:28,620
off

918
00:45:39,580 --> 00:45:34,710
a Czech humanitarian a guy that had

919
00:45:44,300 --> 00:45:39,590
endured the communist regimes there and

920
00:45:47,390 --> 00:45:44,310
after the Communists collapsed okay this

921
00:45:49,310 --> 00:45:47,400
guy went out and he from all accounts

922
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:49,320
and I talked to a number of people over

923
00:45:53,450 --> 00:45:51,090
there when I was doing my exposé on

924
00:45:55,790 --> 00:45:53,460
Korff I talked to a number of people

925
00:45:59,710 --> 00:45:55,800
that told me that this gentleman his

926
00:46:03,080 --> 00:45:59,720
name is sedge lack this gentleman was is

927
00:46:07,570 --> 00:46:03,090
universally loved and respected over

928
00:46:11,330 --> 00:46:07,580
their Korff somehow weaseled his way

929
00:46:16,210 --> 00:46:11,340
into this man's organization as I found

930
00:46:21,500 --> 00:46:16,220
out originally he was hired to teach

931
00:46:26,420 --> 00:46:21,510
these employees of mr. Sedlak English

932
00:46:29,090 --> 00:46:26,430
but Korff back in the day was spouting

933
00:46:32,270 --> 00:46:29,100
all over the Internet and I'm talking

934
00:46:36,110 --> 00:46:32,280
about worldwide he was hired as a CEO

935
00:46:39,170 --> 00:46:36,120
and he even managed to get a photograph

936
00:46:41,540 --> 00:46:39,180
of him signing documents which in

937
00:46:45,140 --> 00:46:41,550
actuality were were to teach these

938
00:46:49,070 --> 00:46:45,150
employees English as proof that he was

939
00:46:54,130 --> 00:46:49,080
now the CEO of this guy's business

940
00:46:59,120 --> 00:46:54,140
empire well so Cerf is an Apple

941
00:47:02,720 --> 00:46:59,130
Macintosh fanatic always has been and he

942
00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:02,730
had a scam going where he was going to

943
00:47:11,150 --> 00:47:07,260
provide free iPads to various people

944
00:47:14,180 --> 00:47:11,160
around the around the globe now he even

945
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:14,190
on Rob McConnell's show told McConnell

946
00:47:21,380 --> 00:47:17,850
that he was going to send him one of

947
00:47:25,490 --> 00:47:21,390
these iPads and he ultimately ended up

948
00:47:29,300 --> 00:47:25,500
he did send one to McConnell now here

949
00:47:32,900 --> 00:47:29,310
was the problem he went down to a major

950
00:47:35,540 --> 00:47:32,910
electronics store in Prague I know which

951
00:47:38,780 --> 00:47:35,550
which one it was I don't think I have to

952
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:38,790
even mention it here doesn't matter he

953
00:47:46,420 --> 00:47:42,170
scammed them out of about well some

954
00:47:49,060 --> 00:47:46,430
between three and five thousand dollars

955
00:47:50,610 --> 00:47:49,070
worth of electronic equipment and he

956
00:47:54,010 --> 00:47:50,620
ended up billing it

957
00:47:58,450 --> 00:47:54,020
okay this was stuff for his benefit he

958
00:48:01,630 --> 00:47:58,460
built it to this humanitarians company

959
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:01,640
now when the bill came due and the

960
00:48:09,010 --> 00:48:04,250
people at the electronics store did not

961
00:48:11,860 --> 00:48:09,020
get paid okay they contacted this firm

962
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:11,870
up and they taught him well we don't

963
00:48:17,980 --> 00:48:14,810
have a clue what what you're talking

964
00:48:21,100 --> 00:48:17,990
about we didn't order by any electronics

965
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:21,110
equipment from you all and the check

966
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:26,240
police got involved and Korff being the

967
00:48:33,370 --> 00:48:29,930
kind of weasel that he is ended up going

968
00:48:36,970 --> 00:48:33,380
to his mom back in the States

969
00:48:40,900 --> 00:48:36,980
okay to end up paying for these things

970
00:48:43,150 --> 00:48:40,910
now when McConnell got his iPad and I'm

971
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:43,160
not an Apple user so I don't know how it

972
00:48:47,410 --> 00:48:45,530
works but it's my understanding in order

973
00:48:50,250 --> 00:48:47,420
to get these things running you've got

974
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:50,260
to call up Apple or somehow you have to

975
00:48:55,420 --> 00:48:52,610
know it's not that it's not that way

976
00:48:59,170 --> 00:48:55,430
what you normally do is you activate it

977
00:49:02,770 --> 00:48:59,180
but you can activate it online you can

978
00:49:06,100 --> 00:49:02,780
activate it on a Mac or a PC it's not a

979
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:06,110
like a major process when McConnell

980
00:49:11,830 --> 00:49:09,170
tried to activate his they got back to

981
00:49:14,380 --> 00:49:11,840
him when totalement was stolen exactly

982
00:49:16,330 --> 00:49:14,390
because what happens is Apple records

983
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:16,340
the serial numbers they're not stealing

984
00:49:21,070 --> 00:49:19,130
your data but obviously if they know

985
00:49:23,860 --> 00:49:21,080
that the serial number of something

986
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:23,870
that's been stolen is yeah that's that's

987
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:26,000
another reason I can't understand why

988
00:49:31,690 --> 00:49:28,850
McConnell would bring this maniac back

989
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:31,700
on his network but hey by their fruits

990
00:49:38,050 --> 00:49:35,090
ye shall know them all right but I'm

991
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:38,060
just worried here about Kevin Randle

992
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:39,890
he's a pretty straight arrow kind of guy

993
00:49:44,650 --> 00:49:42,050
so is he just caught in the middle of

994
00:49:46,450 --> 00:49:44,660
this or what you'd have to ask him I

995
00:49:49,870 --> 00:49:46,460
don't know I'm not gonna speak for him I

996
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:49,880
have no idea what what you know like I

997
00:49:55,559 --> 00:49:52,610
said I called him up when I discovered

998
00:49:57,839 --> 00:49:55,569
this and he was pretty non commit

999
00:50:01,650 --> 00:49:57,849
about all of it and I have seen or heard

1000
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:01,660
nothing from him since so the you know

1001
00:50:07,709 --> 00:50:03,729
the ball is in his court he's gonna have

1002
00:50:11,489 --> 00:50:07,719
to make a decision when I try to get

1003
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:11,499
McConnell on I mean we've had other show

1004
00:50:18,660 --> 00:50:14,170
hosts on like your South John and Erica

1005
00:50:20,819 --> 00:50:18,670
Luke's and why not see if the McConnell

1006
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:20,829
will come on the Perry Caston talk about

1007
00:50:27,089 --> 00:50:24,249
it early on I think he was on briefly

1008
00:50:30,809 --> 00:50:27,099
with our original co-host where he was

1009
00:50:32,910 --> 00:50:30,819
interviewed at some particular event but

1010
00:50:34,529 --> 00:50:32,920
since then I don't think there's been

1011
00:50:36,660 --> 00:50:34,539
any conversation one way or the other

1012
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:36,670
especially because I didn't do it as

1013
00:50:44,099 --> 00:50:40,690
much but that former co-host rag on

1014
00:50:47,339 --> 00:50:44,109
McConnell's something fierce so I don't

1015
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:47,349
think he'd be inclined to do that I just

1016
00:50:52,319 --> 00:50:50,079
say as you say let's judge him by what

1017
00:50:54,959 --> 00:50:52,329
he does and if he thinks bringing that

1018
00:50:57,359 --> 00:50:54,969
character back is a benefit then you

1019
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:57,369
have to think why should I listen that

1020
00:51:01,469 --> 00:50:59,920
this guy's radio shows if he doesn't

1021
00:51:05,039 --> 00:51:01,479
have the respect for truth and honesty

1022
00:51:08,430 --> 00:51:05,049
let's go to other subjects when we get

1023
00:51:11,269 --> 00:51:08,440
back okay yep yeah I think we're giving

1024
00:51:15,949 --> 00:51:11,279
too much publicity to Cal Korff we have

1025
00:51:19,620 --> 00:51:15,959
oh please we have Don Ecker

1026
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Randall Murphy gene and Chris and our

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entire crew we'll be back this week on

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app to the power cast which is part of

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that they're trying to do harmony okay

1082
00:54:22,299 --> 00:54:18,089
all right yes let's get away from that

1083
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:22,309
what's the other big personality story

1084
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:27,410
Stan Romanek there's a blast in the past

1085
00:54:34,489 --> 00:54:30,690
yes are talking about Sean David Morton

1086
00:54:37,729 --> 00:54:34,499
and getting buggered port stands he lost

1087
00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:37,739
his trial and he's four well I think he

1088
00:54:43,249 --> 00:54:39,839
beat one charge of trafficking child

1089
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:43,259
pornography but I think the other charge

1090
00:54:48,529 --> 00:54:45,650
of having it on his computer

1091
00:54:51,529 --> 00:54:48,539
he was unable to wiggle out of that one

1092
00:54:53,890 --> 00:54:51,539
part of it also is the fact that when

1093
00:54:56,989 --> 00:54:53,900
they charge people like that they always

1094
00:54:59,660 --> 00:54:56,999
have lots and lots of charges figuring

1095
00:55:05,870 --> 00:54:59,670
that okay there are 20 charges and we

1096
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:05,880
get ten we win yeah well anyway it looks

1097
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:08,720
like he's gonna be sentenced in October

1098
00:55:17,269 --> 00:55:13,890
and I find it really ironic that the

1099
00:55:22,190 --> 00:55:17,279
Stan Romanek documentary has been picked

1100
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:22,200
up by Netflix and I think they may have

1101
00:55:29,870 --> 00:55:26,400
dropped it I do recall I think last week

1102
00:55:33,230 --> 00:55:29,880
a number of people online mentioning

1103
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:33,240
that they were just gassed at this

1104
00:55:40,020 --> 00:55:36,970
documentary was was being you know was

1105
00:55:42,300 --> 00:55:40,030
being broadcast on Netflix on demand and

1106
00:55:45,330 --> 00:55:42,310
I think quite a number of people wrote

1107
00:55:48,180 --> 00:55:45,340
in and said hey this guy is you know now

1108
00:55:50,310 --> 00:55:48,190
as a convicted felon he really should

1109
00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:50,320
think twice about having this particular

1110
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:53,200
title on there and I have a feeling that

1111
00:55:57,870 --> 00:55:55,570
they've taken it down but but there's

1112
00:56:02,700 --> 00:55:57,880
another one quite a number of people the

1113
00:56:06,510 --> 00:56:02,710
supported Romanek and his I don't know

1114
00:56:10,670 --> 00:56:06,520
just come too good to be true UFO

1115
00:56:14,910 --> 00:56:10,680
abduction and and mind-control type of

1116
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:14,920
events that were occurring around him it

1117
00:56:20,100 --> 00:56:17,170
just it just baffles my mind that

1118
00:56:22,740 --> 00:56:20,110
anybody ever took this guy seriously but

1119
00:56:25,860 --> 00:56:22,750
you know some some pretty interesting

1120
00:56:29,940 --> 00:56:25,870
names in the field did initially get

1121
00:56:32,490 --> 00:56:29,950
behind him in his claims but you know we

1122
00:56:35,220 --> 00:56:32,500
need to self-regulate and police this

1123
00:56:37,110 --> 00:56:35,230
field we've got a number of posters say

1124
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:37,120
well all you guys ever talk about is you

1125
00:56:43,050 --> 00:56:40,240
slag other researchers and and you you

1126
00:56:45,660 --> 00:56:43,060
you know you always you know looking

1127
00:56:47,250 --> 00:56:45,670
looking at the soft underbelly of the

1128
00:56:49,140 --> 00:56:47,260
field well I don't think we always do

1129
00:56:52,890 --> 00:56:49,150
that but but I think from time to time

1130
00:56:54,690 --> 00:56:52,900
that you know we kind of owe it to to

1131
00:56:59,070 --> 00:56:54,700
our listeners and to the field I think

1132
00:57:02,010 --> 00:56:59,080
in general to sort of you know poke at

1133
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:02,020
these Emperor's on parade and at least

1134
00:57:08,910 --> 00:57:06,610
reveal to the rest of the spectators

1135
00:57:11,490 --> 00:57:08,920
along the parade route that these these

1136
00:57:14,700 --> 00:57:11,500
people do not deserve to be listened to

1137
00:57:16,350 --> 00:57:14,710
you know I'm seeing now slowly of a

1138
00:57:18,060 --> 00:57:16,360
backlash against this Corey Goode

1139
00:57:19,740 --> 00:57:18,070
character and some pretty good

1140
00:57:23,340 --> 00:57:19,750
investigative journalism is being done

1141
00:57:25,590 --> 00:57:23,350
around this particular individual and

1142
00:57:30,060 --> 00:57:25,600
and some of the people that are involved

1143
00:57:33,210 --> 00:57:30,070
with him on a business level and some

1144
00:57:36,660 --> 00:57:33,220
some pretty shady characters and and you

1145
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:36,670
know some innuendos of ritual and

1146
00:57:42,690 --> 00:57:39,520
cult-like activity as well which is very

1147
00:57:45,330 --> 00:57:42,700
disturbing to me again this whole

1148
00:57:46,830 --> 00:57:45,340
disclosure movement deserves I think a

1149
00:57:49,890 --> 00:57:46,840
whole show

1150
00:57:52,130 --> 00:57:49,900
in terms of how how these individuals

1151
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:52,140
are coming out and and sort of

1152
00:57:57,710 --> 00:57:54,400
supporting each other's stories with

1153
00:57:59,970 --> 00:57:57,720
with new details in their accounts and

1154
00:58:02,130 --> 00:57:59,980
you know there's millions of gullible

1155
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:02,140
people that are licking this stuff up

1156
00:58:10,170 --> 00:58:06,000
like like a bear sitting there and on a

1157
00:58:12,780 --> 00:58:10,180
beehive to me it's just disgusting that

1158
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:12,790
people don't have discriminating you

1159
00:58:16,860 --> 00:58:14,410
know a discriminating bone in their body

1160
00:58:19,380 --> 00:58:16,870
and bs meters to be able to determine

1161
00:58:21,870 --> 00:58:19,390
for themselves that this this is just so

1162
00:58:24,380 --> 00:58:21,880
ludicrous that how could it possibly be

1163
00:58:28,260 --> 00:58:24,390
true the thing that bothers me also

1164
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:28,270
chris is that even after you expose

1165
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:31,690
these people to their believers

1166
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:33,730
no matter what you do what you say

1167
00:58:39,690 --> 00:58:36,250
whatever evidence you present they can

1168
00:58:41,790 --> 00:58:39,700
or it it's emotional they can't even get

1169
00:58:44,610 --> 00:58:41,800
it involved in the facts don't bother me

1170
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:44,620
with facts that's just the way that

1171
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:46,240
people are though I mean there's this

1172
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:48,130
large portion of the population that

1173
00:58:53,070 --> 00:58:50,290
wants to believe in things and that's

1174
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:53,080
often why it's compared to religion look

1175
00:58:58,740 --> 00:58:54,850
at the ridiculous claims that religion

1176
00:59:01,110 --> 00:58:58,750
makes and yet people still belong to the

1177
00:59:05,820 --> 00:59:01,120
Catholic Church and what the hundreds of

1178
00:59:08,460 --> 00:59:05,830
millions and you County

1179
00:59:10,650 --> 00:59:08,470
yeah I mean you can't talk sense to them

1180
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:10,660
you can't really put the facts in front

1181
00:59:14,100 --> 00:59:11,770
of them because that's not what they're

1182
00:59:16,380 --> 00:59:14,110
interested in it detracts from what

1183
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:16,390
they're trying to get close to in terms

1184
00:59:21,980 --> 00:59:18,730
of what they feel in the commune that

1185
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:21,990
they have with the the their belief and

1186
00:59:28,620 --> 00:59:25,210
so there's we're left with a few people

1187
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:28,630
out there who actually just bypass that

1188
00:59:32,340 --> 00:59:30,610
whole thing and try to get at what the

1189
00:59:33,510 --> 00:59:32,350
real truth of the situation is and I

1190
00:59:36,540 --> 00:59:33,520
think that's what we really need to

1191
00:59:39,660 --> 00:59:36,550
focus on more yeah Greg Bishop posted

1192
00:59:43,470 --> 00:59:39,670
recently on social media a t-shirt with

1193
00:59:48,060 --> 00:59:43,480
the the kind of affirmation I do not

1194
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:48,070
engage he's been kind of bugging me

1195
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:50,170
he'll not really bugging me but pointing

1196
00:59:55,350 --> 00:59:52,240
out to me that you know why bother

1197
00:59:57,660 --> 00:59:55,360
pointing out the people's you know

1198
01:00:00,060 --> 00:59:57,670
ridiculous lack of BS meters and stuff I

1199
01:00:00,710 --> 01:00:00,070
mean you're not going to change people's

1200
01:00:02,660 --> 01:00:00,720
minds

1201
01:00:05,589 --> 01:00:02,670
no matter how hard you try and I need to

1202
01:00:08,420 --> 01:00:05,599
Randall's point it's it's really it's

1203
01:00:10,430 --> 01:00:08,430
tilting at windmills with many of these

1204
01:00:12,700 --> 01:00:10,440
people it doesn't matter how many facts

1205
01:00:16,820 --> 01:00:12,710
you come up with how much you refute

1206
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:16,830
these ridiculous stories which just come

1207
01:00:22,490 --> 01:00:20,010
at us furiously it seems at times it

1208
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:22,500
doesn't matter how hard you try to bring

1209
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:26,250
people to a place of objectivity and you

1210
01:00:31,220 --> 01:00:29,250
know just common sense it just doesn't

1211
01:00:36,740 --> 01:00:31,230
it doesn't help so I think Greg's right

1212
01:00:38,540 --> 01:00:36,750
do not engage so I've been I've been

1213
01:00:41,630 --> 01:00:38,550
practicing that's been my mantra here

1214
01:00:45,230 --> 01:00:41,640
the last month or so is do not engage I

1215
01:00:49,070 --> 01:00:45,240
just you know I just these poor people I

1216
01:00:50,660 --> 01:00:49,080
did that that half hour video contact in

1217
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:50,670
the desert of course I had several

1218
01:00:53,839 --> 01:00:52,290
people say well you complain about the

1219
01:00:56,060 --> 01:00:53,849
media and how they handle these subjects

1220
01:00:58,790 --> 01:00:56,070
you're doing the exact same thing yeah

1221
01:01:00,170 --> 01:00:58,800
I'm standing in the line with David for

1222
01:01:02,540 --> 01:01:00,180
the David Wilcock Corey good

1223
01:01:04,820 --> 01:01:02,550
presentation asking these people how you

1224
01:01:08,300 --> 01:01:04,830
know why do you believe this stuff what

1225
01:01:10,700 --> 01:01:08,310
about it rings true to you and how do

1226
01:01:12,140 --> 01:01:10,710
you come to this conclusion and you know

1227
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:12,150
three out of four people were saying

1228
01:01:17,180 --> 01:01:14,970
well I my intuition tells me that it's

1229
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:17,190
correct so people are going on their gut

1230
01:01:21,890 --> 01:01:20,880
feelings or their intuition in a sense

1231
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:21,900
kind of they're there

1232
01:01:30,140 --> 01:01:27,170
I think unconscious need to believe

1233
01:01:34,130 --> 01:01:30,150
almost Randle points out to some

1234
01:01:36,290 --> 01:01:34,140
religious compulsion you're just not

1235
01:01:39,579 --> 01:01:36,300
gonna change that yeah and you know we

1236
01:01:42,349 --> 01:01:39,589
can do the best we can to bring positive

1237
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:42,359
researches and information and if you

1238
01:01:46,579 --> 01:01:44,250
know the types of scenarios that you can

1239
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:46,589
backup well then you have you have

1240
01:01:54,140 --> 01:01:50,010
groups like the mutual UFO network okay

1241
01:01:57,650 --> 01:01:54,150
that for years was considered to be one

1242
01:02:00,740 --> 01:01:57,660
of the primary and and scientifically

1243
01:02:04,820 --> 01:02:00,750
oriented organizations taking a very

1244
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:04,830
scientific look at UFOs and then take a

1245
01:02:10,310 --> 01:02:07,770
look at their most recent international

1246
01:02:14,340 --> 01:02:10,320
symposium and they had people like

1247
01:02:17,290 --> 01:02:14,350
Andros soggy Oh with his ridiculous

1248
01:02:21,100 --> 01:02:17,300
nonsense stories and quarry good with

1249
01:02:24,310 --> 01:02:21,110
his ridiculous nonsense stories I mean

1250
01:02:27,690 --> 01:02:24,320
guys what would you say if I came to you

1251
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:27,700
and I said okay you guys know who I am

1252
01:02:33,460 --> 01:02:30,890
well guess what since I've been six or

1253
01:02:35,530 --> 01:02:33,470
eight years old I can't remember it was

1254
01:02:39,010 --> 01:02:35,540
either six or eight I've been making

1255
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:39,020
time trips to Mars and guess who one of

1256
01:02:45,690 --> 01:02:42,530
my colleagues and associates were Barack

1257
01:02:48,910 --> 01:02:45,700
Hussein Obama we went to Mars together

1258
01:02:51,940 --> 01:02:48,920
well you'd look at each other and you'd

1259
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:51,950
roll your eyes and say what in the world

1260
01:02:57,580 --> 01:02:54,770
happened to acker well that's what

1261
01:03:00,700 --> 01:02:57,590
passagio is doing and who did they put

1262
01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:00,710
on a panel okay with these kind of

1263
01:03:05,770 --> 01:03:03,680
ridiculous stories move on put passaggio

1264
01:03:08,590 --> 01:03:05,780
and corey good on it I mean if you look

1265
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:08,600
at Richard Dolan who was sitting on that

1266
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:11,210
panel okay you know if it would have

1267
01:03:21,310 --> 01:03:15,770
been me now MUFON or me they wouldn't

1268
01:03:22,750 --> 01:03:21,320
invite us in a gazillion years but I

1269
01:03:25,030 --> 01:03:22,760
would have told them right up front

1270
01:03:28,510 --> 01:03:25,040
you're putting these two frauds on with

1271
01:03:30,850 --> 01:03:28,520
me and by my being there I'm giving some

1272
01:03:31,540 --> 01:03:30,860
credence to this forget it fellas I'm

1273
01:03:35,620 --> 01:03:31,550
out of here

1274
01:03:37,780 --> 01:03:35,630
moment a few announcements then we got

1275
01:03:47,150 --> 01:03:37,790
more to come with Don Ecker Jay Randall

1276
01:03:51,390 --> 01:03:49,620
attack of the rock ODEs has been

1277
01:03:53,309 --> 01:03:51,400
well-received by critics and readers

1278
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:53,319
alike it's a thrill a minute story

1279
01:03:58,500 --> 01:03:56,170
you'll never forget a former US military

1280
01:04:00,779 --> 01:03:58,510
intelligence officer is haunted by

1281
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intense dreams about a beautiful woman

1282
01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:03,309
pleading for his help after a terrible

1283
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battle in outer space but the dreams

1284
01:04:10,260 --> 01:04:08,289
turn out to be true and thrust him into

1285
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:10,270
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1286
01:04:15,299 --> 01:04:12,970
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1292
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podcast.com we're gonna kind of cool it

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now on MUFON follies because we've spent

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several episodes with former state

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01:08:21,580 --> 01:08:19,730
directors explaining why they're no

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longer state directors and Erica Luke's

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01:08:26,260 --> 01:08:23,840
of course mention why she's no longer

1390
01:08:29,380 --> 01:08:26,270
associated with MUFON and what we see

1391
01:08:31,990 --> 01:08:29,390
here is a sad case of a UFO organization

1392
01:08:34,630 --> 01:08:32,000
that's been around since 1969 what 48

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01:08:37,290 --> 01:08:34,640
years and in that 48 years they've

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accomplished absolutely nothing zilch

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zip so instead they decide to go

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commercial hoping well at least if they

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01:08:50,710 --> 01:08:47,000
can't solve the UFO mystery they could

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01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:50,720
at least cover their expenses and maybe

1399
01:08:55,390 --> 01:08:52,130
a little bit more than cover their

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01:08:57,820 --> 01:08:55,400
expenses but right now Don Ecker is

1401
01:09:01,330 --> 01:08:57,830
there any UFO organization left in the

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01:09:04,300 --> 01:09:01,340
US that has a significant membership

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01:09:06,490 --> 01:09:04,310
that can get something done MUFON is

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01:09:09,670 --> 01:09:06,500
certainly not in the picture national

1405
01:09:12,220 --> 01:09:09,680
UFO Reporting Center collects stuff but

1406
01:09:14,890 --> 01:09:12,230
doesn't really do research who is there

1407
01:09:20,710 --> 01:09:14,900
oh the short answer do you want me to

1408
01:09:23,260 --> 01:09:20,720
stretch it out nobody I think you folks

1409
01:09:25,980 --> 01:09:23,270
is still around you know they've got

1410
01:09:28,810 --> 01:09:25,990
much of a budget for anything yeah I

1411
01:09:31,330 --> 01:09:28,820
think they try to do good work they

1412
01:09:34,090 --> 01:09:31,340
really haven't done much I mean mark

1413
01:09:35,440 --> 01:09:34,100
Radha Gore isn't he the one that is kind

1414
01:09:38,350 --> 01:09:35,450
of the administrator they're gone

1415
01:09:40,270 --> 01:09:38,360
and a lot of these places you know like

1416
01:09:43,090 --> 01:09:40,280
like mark and what have you

1417
01:09:45,850 --> 01:09:43,100
I mean they've gone basically they've

1418
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:45,860
gone dark yeah all right you don't hear

1419
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:48,410
anything from them you know if they kind

1420
01:09:56,530 --> 01:09:51,530
of feel any way about this topic the way

1421
01:09:57,010 --> 01:09:56,540
I felt since the end of 2006 and good

1422
01:10:00,580 --> 01:09:57,020
lord

1423
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:00,590
it's been 11 years you know I basically

1424
01:10:07,710 --> 01:10:04,130
just kind of washed my hands of trying

1425
01:10:10,990 --> 01:10:07,720
to do any active research number one

1426
01:10:15,010 --> 01:10:11,000
there's nothing in it other than

1427
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:15,020
personal satisfaction for me I'm

1428
01:10:20,590 --> 01:10:17,810
certainly not earning any money by

1429
01:10:23,230 --> 01:10:20,600
anything I'm doing you know my radio

1430
01:10:26,890 --> 01:10:23,240
show and what-have-you it's all gratis

1431
01:10:30,730 --> 01:10:26,900
so the bottom line is why really get out

1432
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:30,740
there anymore in the field and spend my

1433
01:10:36,580 --> 01:10:34,010
money for a topic that number one most

1434
01:10:40,420 --> 01:10:36,590
people think is is crazy to begin with

1435
01:10:43,690 --> 01:10:40,430
and number two if you come out with what

1436
01:10:45,370 --> 01:10:43,700
you feel are genuine facts and there for

1437
01:10:48,610 --> 01:10:45,380
the usually for the most part negative

1438
01:10:51,100 --> 01:10:48,620
huh you get nothing but abuse for it so

1439
01:10:53,010 --> 01:10:51,110
you know why bother and the fact of the

1440
01:10:56,290 --> 01:10:53,020
matter is you guys were talking about

1441
01:11:00,060 --> 01:10:56,300
people wanting to believe I always think

1442
01:11:04,660 --> 01:11:00,070
back to the x-files back in the 90s in

1443
01:11:08,260 --> 01:11:04,670
Fox Mulder's FBI office that poster on

1444
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:08,270
his wall of a billy meier saucer and the

1445
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:12,410
words beneath it I want to believe I had

1446
01:11:21,310 --> 01:11:16,610
that happen to me back in the 90s when I

1447
01:11:26,050 --> 01:11:21,320
was doing a series of expose z' in the

1448
01:11:29,130 --> 01:11:26,060
pages of UFO magazine I naively believed

1449
01:11:30,430 --> 01:11:29,140
back then that if we were to

1450
01:11:34,900 --> 01:11:30,440
quote-unquote

1451
01:11:37,990 --> 01:11:34,910
clean our own house okay that the

1452
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:38,000
mainstream whatever they are would begin

1453
01:11:43,710 --> 01:11:40,130
to take this seriously and of course

1454
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:43,720
that was a pipe dream but I did one

1455
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:46,010
expose that I'll never forget and I've

1456
01:11:50,830 --> 01:11:47,930
talked about this on the podcast before

1457
01:11:53,650 --> 01:11:50,840
with a guy by the name of guy Kirkwood

1458
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:53,660
also known as an old Bryce Cornwall also

1459
01:11:59,080 --> 01:11:56,690
known as Mel Noel who had been billing

1460
01:12:00,880 --> 01:11:59,090
himself at that time for over 30 years

1461
01:12:04,870 --> 01:12:00,890
as a

1462
01:12:07,570 --> 01:12:04,880
Air Force fighter pilot that had been

1463
01:12:11,470 --> 01:12:07,580
flying missions out of a secret base in

1464
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:11,480
Utah to photograph UFOs and this was a

1465
01:12:17,290 --> 01:12:14,810
stick he had been doing for years and he

1466
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:17,300
had been exposed sir

1467
01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:20,210
times in the past but I did a massive

1468
01:12:27,970 --> 01:12:25,040
UFO magazine expose on him and the

1469
01:12:30,879 --> 01:12:27,980
people that I went to and and the places

1470
01:12:34,299 --> 01:12:30,889
that I traveled to document this well

1471
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:34,309
today I wouldn't even bother but back

1472
01:12:40,510 --> 01:12:37,489
then I did and and the bottom line was

1473
01:12:45,030 --> 01:12:40,520
there were still people in the field

1474
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:45,040
that came after me angry that I

1475
01:12:49,810 --> 01:12:48,290
basically urinated on their bowl of

1476
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:49,820
cornflakes okay

1477
01:12:57,069 --> 01:12:54,530
and you know so what what are you gonna

1478
01:12:59,080 --> 01:12:57,079
do you did a pretty good job on Steven

1479
01:13:01,209 --> 01:12:59,090
Greer and Billy Meyer - and your cult I

1480
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:01,219
remember he had one issue with the it

1481
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:05,210
was exposing the the cults well you know

1482
01:13:14,770 --> 01:13:09,770
now there was was a an example at that

1483
01:13:17,589 --> 01:13:14,780
time the see SETI West Coast guy was a

1484
01:13:20,919 --> 01:13:17,599
the administrator was a gaba name of dr.

1485
01:13:23,770 --> 01:13:20,929
Joseph Burks yeah and after we ran that

1486
01:13:29,549 --> 01:13:23,780
issue culture cutting edge I remember

1487
01:13:33,669 --> 01:13:29,559
that vividly okay we get a 15 page

1488
01:13:37,839 --> 01:13:33,679
letter handwritten right way at UFO

1489
01:13:42,129 --> 01:13:37,849
magazine from Joe Burks just beside

1490
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:42,139
himself that we dared to put C SETI in

1491
01:13:49,780 --> 01:13:45,290
there I'm gonna tell you a little secret

1492
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:49,790
I knew stuff about what Greer and C SETI

1493
01:13:58,899 --> 01:13:53,290
were doing that at the time we decided

1494
01:14:02,770 --> 01:13:58,909
not to include in that issue because we

1495
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:02,780
weren't out to to really try to destroy

1496
01:14:10,629 --> 01:14:06,650
anybody but I can just say that it had I

1497
01:14:13,390 --> 01:14:10,639
if I were a vicious person okay which

1498
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:13,400
I'm not if I were a vicious person I

1499
01:14:18,010 --> 01:14:15,170
could have made things really hot for

1500
01:14:21,459 --> 01:14:18,020
them so anyway Burks wanted to debate us

1501
01:14:24,580 --> 01:14:21,469
on CompuServe back in the back in the

1502
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:24,590
day you know that was the way you wanted

1503
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:27,050
to have a live thing you know and you

1504
01:14:30,579 --> 01:14:28,730
want to debate what have you if you

1505
01:14:32,799 --> 01:14:30,589
didn't have anybody putting on a for

1506
01:14:35,979 --> 01:14:32,809
how do you do it well in those days they

1507
01:14:38,259 --> 01:14:35,989
did it on on CompuServe but I said hey

1508
01:14:43,689 --> 01:14:38,269
look why would we do that I've got a

1509
01:14:46,839 --> 01:14:43,699
radio show so we invited Burks to come

1510
01:14:49,689 --> 01:14:46,849
on the radio show he accepted and we

1511
01:14:53,139 --> 01:14:49,699
took him out to dinner and he was very

1512
01:14:56,290 --> 01:14:53,149
congenial very nice and at the end of

1513
01:14:59,859 --> 01:14:56,300
that radio show he stormed out of the

1514
01:15:03,699 --> 01:14:59,869
studio didn't talk to him for fifteen

1515
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:03,709
years after that and we basically said

1516
01:15:09,099 --> 01:15:05,449
okay well if you want to debate let's

1517
01:15:11,589 --> 01:15:09,109
debate and we did and as a result they

1518
01:15:14,729 --> 01:15:11,599
weren't happy about it so we were on C

1519
01:15:18,159 --> 01:15:14,739
SETI's hit list for a very long time

1520
01:15:21,279 --> 01:15:18,169
well he finally ended up parting ways

1521
01:15:24,790 --> 01:15:21,289
with Greer yes he did and is is pretty

1522
01:15:27,669 --> 01:15:24,800
down on him now gee isn't that a

1523
01:15:30,549 --> 01:15:27,679
surprise well well it just goes to show

1524
01:15:33,069 --> 01:15:30,559
you you you know when you get people who

1525
01:15:35,619 --> 01:15:33,079
suspend their disbelief and who have

1526
01:15:37,209 --> 01:15:35,629
this tremendous need and desire to

1527
01:15:39,849 --> 01:15:37,219
believe if you get groups of them

1528
01:15:43,829 --> 01:15:39,859
together they can be dangerous they

1529
01:15:46,659 --> 01:15:43,839
definitely had some some genuine

1530
01:15:49,509 --> 01:15:46,669
fanatical adherence to that and I mean

1531
01:15:53,739 --> 01:15:49,519
you got a you got to ask yourself how

1532
01:15:56,879 --> 01:15:53,749
bright can you truly be to go out with a

1533
01:16:00,849 --> 01:15:56,889
group of people in a field shine your

1534
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:00,859
flashlights up in the sky start chanting

1535
01:16:05,679 --> 01:16:03,530
to get the UFOs to come down well in

1536
01:16:08,319 --> 01:16:05,689
putting laying your hands on the doctor

1537
01:16:12,099 --> 01:16:08,329
and he he channels everybody's energies

1538
01:16:13,779 --> 01:16:12,109
and focuses the energy outwards doesn't

1539
01:16:15,729 --> 01:16:13,789
anyone around giving everybody a

1540
01:16:18,339 --> 01:16:15,739
boarding pass for God's sake

1541
01:16:20,379 --> 01:16:18,349
hey let's continue let's take this

1542
01:16:22,359 --> 01:16:20,389
boarding pass and check it out or just

1543
01:16:25,659 --> 01:16:22,369
pass out depending on your point of view

1544
01:16:29,020 --> 01:16:25,669
with gene Steinberg Chris O'Brien Don

1545
01:16:39,330 --> 01:16:29,030
Ecker and J Randle Murphy you were in

1546
01:16:47,350 --> 01:16:43,250
thank you for listening to GCN

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01:16:50,390 --> 01:16:47,360
be sure to visit GCN live.com today

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[Music]

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this is the wrong plaque author of the

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UFO encyclopedia now their books you're

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01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:09,300
so therefore if we have to listen to

1656
01:21:17,729 --> 01:21:12,570
these wacky people speaking of wackiness

1657
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:17,739
the disclosure movement any day now some

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presidents going to do something not

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01:21:26,310 --> 01:21:21,510
likely

1660
01:21:28,590 --> 01:21:26,320
look it's been almost 70 years well it

1661
01:21:35,010 --> 01:21:28,600
has been 70 years now that I think about

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01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:35,020
it and in all that time now I've got to

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01:21:41,850 --> 01:21:38,170
believe that regardless of what you may

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01:21:44,550 --> 01:21:41,860
think you see today in the military and

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the intelligence establishments of the

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United States they do have some very

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bright bright people and they've got to

1668
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have a lot more information gentlemen

1669
01:22:02,760 --> 01:21:58,860
than we have now with that being said

1670
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:02,770
it's obvious that they have not kept

1671
01:22:08,580 --> 01:22:05,530
this thing completely airtight because

1672
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hey we're talking about it and over the

1673
01:22:15,209 --> 01:22:11,520
years we've talked about some amazing

1674
01:22:18,330 --> 01:22:15,219
cases that have cropped to the surface

1675
01:22:20,850 --> 01:22:18,340
now with that being said if you're

1676
01:22:23,879 --> 01:22:20,860
thinking about this in a semi logical

1677
01:22:27,750 --> 01:22:23,889
manner would it make any sense to still

1678
01:22:31,260 --> 01:22:27,760
keep this concealed and hidden whatever

1679
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:31,270
the quote-unquote truth is yeah it does

1680
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:33,010
it makes a certain amount of sense for

1681
01:22:38,370 --> 01:22:35,170
sure because the means by which they

1682
01:22:41,580 --> 01:22:38,380
detect these things is highly technical

1683
01:22:43,290 --> 01:22:41,590
and is state secrets it's part of the

1684
01:22:45,540 --> 01:22:43,300
Defense Network and they simply can't

1685
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:45,550
tell us how that's done it reveals the

1686
01:22:52,109 --> 01:22:48,010
detection capability and that's probably

1687
01:22:56,609 --> 01:22:52,119
classified we know I know okay because I

1688
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was in military intelligence during the

1689
01:23:05,160 --> 01:22:59,889
Vietnam War now I'm not gonna bill

1690
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:05,170
myself as the top expert but I do have a

1691
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:08,050
working knowledge of detection but

1692
01:23:15,919 --> 01:23:10,210
that's not what I'm talking about I'm

1693
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:15,929
talking about much more mundane

1694
01:23:22,050 --> 01:23:19,210
comparatively speaking items in

1695
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fault with this so that tells me that

1696
01:23:30,410 --> 01:23:27,160
these guys know something that terrify

1697
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:30,420
them terrify them okay absolutely

1698
01:23:38,780 --> 01:23:33,130
terrify them if it became public

1699
01:23:41,610 --> 01:23:38,790
knowledge now I go back to 1976 1977

1700
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that's when Jimmy Carter became

1701
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President of the United States and one

1702
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:47,590
of his claims to fame at that time was

1703
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that he was going to go to NASA and

1704
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:54,340
whomever to find out what the real story

1705
01:23:59,850 --> 01:23:57,010
was on the UFO topic because he himself

1706
01:24:04,410 --> 01:23:59,860
when he was the governor had a sighting

1707
01:24:08,370 --> 01:24:04,420
of something and later through my law

1708
01:24:11,550 --> 01:24:08,380
enforcement contacts I had a friend who

1709
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:11,560
had been friends with a Secret Service

1710
01:24:16,500 --> 01:24:12,730
agent

1711
01:24:19,470 --> 01:24:16,510
who was on the Carter detail and what

1712
01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:19,480
this guy told me now was I there

1713
01:24:26,190 --> 01:24:23,170
no would this guy lie to me I doubt it

1714
01:24:30,180 --> 01:24:26,200
but what he told me was very telling

1715
01:24:34,229 --> 01:24:30,190
that whenever a new president takes the

1716
01:24:37,860 --> 01:24:34,239
oath and and enters the Oval Office they

1717
01:24:41,250 --> 01:24:37,870
have a series of briefings that they

1718
01:24:45,440 --> 01:24:41,260
must go through events on on what's

1719
01:24:49,770 --> 01:24:45,450
happening around the world etc and

1720
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:49,780
apparently he was told something about

1721
01:24:56,850 --> 01:24:53,530
the UFO subject because I'm sure Carter

1722
01:24:59,490 --> 01:24:56,860
asked about it and according to this

1723
01:25:03,540 --> 01:24:59,500
Secret Service agent through my cop

1724
01:25:05,070 --> 01:25:03,550
buddy when he left this briefing Carter

1725
01:25:08,310 --> 01:25:05,080
was crying

1726
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:08,320
now take that for what it's worth okay

1727
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:10,330
order had his own sighting he saw him

1728
01:25:15,330 --> 01:25:12,400
from South filled out a report right

1729
01:25:17,310 --> 01:25:15,340
that's what I said yeah so he knows that

1730
01:25:21,090 --> 01:25:17,320
they're real already and so it wouldn't

1731
01:25:22,709 --> 01:25:21,100
be surprising that he would ask and I'm

1732
01:25:23,070 --> 01:25:22,719
not at all surprised about what you're

1733
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:23,080
saying

1734
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:26,050
I mean it's hearsay information but like

1735
01:25:29,580 --> 01:25:27,610
you say they've got to know a whole lot

1736
01:25:31,170 --> 01:25:29,590
more than we do I mean look at the

1737
01:25:32,140 --> 01:25:31,180
National Reconnaissance Office they

1738
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:32,150
design and Bill

1739
01:25:36,030 --> 01:25:34,370
and operate reconnaissance satellites

1740
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:36,040
they provide intelligence to the CIA

1741
01:25:40,660 --> 01:25:39,050
they got to know more than we do they've

1742
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:40,670
got satellites out there that can look

1743
01:25:46,450 --> 01:25:43,010
back on the moon and read license plates

1744
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:46,460
there's stuff going on for sure but

1745
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:49,010
we're not gonna hear about it no that's

1746
01:25:55,450 --> 01:25:51,050
obvious and people like Steve Bassett

1747
01:25:58,090 --> 01:25:55,460
that believe and he's invested to

1748
01:26:00,790 --> 01:25:58,100
believe that there's going to be

1749
01:26:03,850 --> 01:26:00,800
disclosure you know I can remember just

1750
01:26:06,250 --> 01:26:03,860
a very few short years ago when Bassett

1751
01:26:09,610 --> 01:26:06,260
was making the claim that President

1752
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:09,620
Obama was going to release information

1753
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:12,610
on the UFO topic do you guys recall that

1754
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:15,770
yes he said the last time that he

1755
01:26:19,810 --> 01:26:17,330
mentioned him that it would happen in

1756
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:19,820
his final year as president of course

1757
01:26:24,669 --> 01:26:22,370
you see he's the guy who keeps crying

1758
01:26:26,380 --> 01:26:24,679
wolf Steven Bassett because he always

1759
01:26:29,350 --> 01:26:26,390
said this that or the other thing's

1760
01:26:31,570 --> 01:26:29,360
gonna have it and never happens so if

1761
01:26:33,939 --> 01:26:31,580
one day he actually said something that

1762
01:26:37,630 --> 01:26:33,949
was true nobody believed him

1763
01:26:39,250 --> 01:26:37,640
right it's always nine months there's 18

1764
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:39,260
months down the line from the date of

1765
01:26:46,689 --> 01:26:44,330
his his latest prophecy about that and

1766
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:46,699
Steven where it's always 90 days 90 days

1767
01:26:55,050 --> 01:26:53,210
90 days I guarantee it are worth as much

1768
01:26:58,030 --> 01:26:55,060
as pixie dust

1769
01:27:00,820 --> 01:26:58,040
yeah but do we really even need these

1770
01:27:03,370 --> 01:27:00,830
people to tell us that that they know

1771
01:27:05,950 --> 01:27:03,380
what we already know this is something I

1772
01:27:09,490 --> 01:27:05,960
try to to get across in the forum's I

1773
01:27:10,300 --> 01:27:09,500
think there are enough of us out here

1774
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:10,310
already

1775
01:27:14,590 --> 01:27:12,890
and I'm going to risk using that word

1776
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:14,600
believe because I don't think it's such

1777
01:27:19,450 --> 01:27:16,370
a dirty word as a lot of people make it

1778
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:19,460
out to be I do think that there's enough

1779
01:27:25,979 --> 01:27:22,010
of us out here who do believe for good

1780
01:27:29,110 --> 01:27:25,989
reasons that unidentified flying objects

1781
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:29,120
exist and I don't mean just unidentified

1782
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:31,130
is in a literal translation I mean some

1783
01:27:37,930 --> 01:27:34,370
sort of alien craft is visiting this

1784
01:27:39,850 --> 01:27:37,940
world from we're not sure where but it's

1785
01:27:41,410 --> 01:27:39,860
going on people know it people believe

1786
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:41,420
it do we really need the government to

1787
01:27:48,750 --> 01:27:45,770
tell us and why why do we need that

1788
01:27:51,340 --> 01:27:48,760
we need affirmation or many need

1789
01:27:54,910 --> 01:27:51,350
affirmation and of course you get no

1790
01:27:58,380 --> 01:27:54,920
better affirmation or confirmation then

1791
01:28:01,209 --> 01:27:58,390
if it came from a government source

1792
01:28:02,860 --> 01:28:01,219
besides here when you look at it because

1793
01:28:03,490 --> 01:28:02,870
you believe something doesn't make it

1794
01:28:05,380 --> 01:28:03,500
true

1795
01:28:08,290 --> 01:28:05,390
and you hope that the government is

1796
01:28:10,810 --> 01:28:08,300
smart enough to know what the answers

1797
01:28:12,910 --> 01:28:10,820
might be but it may just be that they

1798
01:28:14,470 --> 01:28:12,920
don't know anything and they look at

1799
01:28:16,390 --> 01:28:14,480
well it doesn't seem to represent a

1800
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:16,400
threat so let's not worry about it

1801
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:20,210
that's also the salient it's been proven

1802
01:28:25,870 --> 01:28:23,810
to represent a threat early on we had

1803
01:28:29,140 --> 01:28:25,880
those cases where there was some

1804
01:28:33,490 --> 01:28:29,150
shooting activity well we had we had a

1805
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:33,500
lot of aircraft that went down in the

1806
01:28:41,700 --> 01:28:37,730
50s encountering these things we had on

1807
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:41,710
at least that I'm aware of two occasions

1808
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:46,090
when unidentifieds came in and basically

1809
01:28:56,200 --> 01:28:51,050
shut down our missile our nuclear

1810
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weapons systems in 1967 and once again

1811
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in the Dakotas in what was it 75 76 and

1812
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in some cases it came out and I was very

1813
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very good friends with Larry Fawcett

1814
01:29:14,130 --> 01:29:10,430
prior to his death and he and Barry

1815
01:29:17,890 --> 01:29:14,140
Greenwood did the definitive book on

1816
01:29:21,150 --> 01:29:17,900
military and government encounters with

1817
01:29:24,790 --> 01:29:21,160
UFOs originally titled clear intent and

1818
01:29:29,229 --> 01:29:24,800
in there and Fawcett told me face to

1819
01:29:31,750 --> 01:29:29,239
face that some of those missiles had to

1820
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be replaced whatever had happened to

1821
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them it basically rendered them in

1822
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urghhh

1823
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now if that's true okay and I have no

1824
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reason to I had no reason to ever doubt

1825
01:29:49,180 --> 01:29:46,640
Larry Fawcett ever if that's true now

1826
01:29:52,209 --> 01:29:49,190
you know that would have sent the

1827
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military especially into a frenzy if

1828
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something could two men and in effect

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01:29:59,620 --> 01:29:58,340
destroy their nuclear capability what

1830
01:30:02,470 --> 01:29:59,630
could be more

1831
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:02,480
than that it's very interesting here we

1832
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had these cases early on and of course

1833
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we have that book UFOs and nukes the one

1834
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:10,670
from Bob Hastings but what seems to have

1835
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happened here is they happened early on

1836
01:30:17,490 --> 01:30:15,110
these episodes but not recently when was

1837
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the last time we had anything like that

1838
01:30:22,810 --> 01:30:20,690
indicated some possible hostile intent

1839
01:30:25,270 --> 01:30:22,820
going on there we got more to come with

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Don Ecker Randall Murphy Jean and Chris

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hi this is Joshua p1 author of the poor

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man's paranormal and you're listening to

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the podcast the gold standard of

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paranormal radio okay so the question I

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posed to Don Ecker is okay so we have

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UFOs and nukes we have these cases shoot

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him down

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what about lately what's been happening

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lately well it depends on and lately is

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a relative term it depends on what you

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mean by lately if you're talking about

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the last five years I have no clue

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because nobody has come forward with

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anything for the most part however let's

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go back to the the collapse of the Iron

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Curtain when the Soviet empire imploded

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now at that period of time Russian

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secrets Soviet era secrets were

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basically for sale to the highest bidder

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01:36:11,110 --> 01:36:07,270
George Knapp a really top television

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reporter from Las Vegas went to the

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Soviet Union because as we all know all

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right for everybody here is from Mayer

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very familiar with George Knapp George

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has been in the middle of this for a

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long time he's traveled to the former

1976
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Soviet Union and he had some meetings

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with some formerly very top Soviet

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establishment people and he discovered

1979
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that in 1983 and as a matter of fact

1980
01:36:49,810 --> 01:36:44,420
this was even if I recall was reported

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01:36:52,540 --> 01:36:49,820
on an ABC News special at that time and

1982
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:52,550
if I'm remembering that's been a while

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01:36:59,470 --> 01:36:55,730
Sam Donaldson I think was that was the

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01:37:02,830 --> 01:36:59,480
lead reporter on that special nap had

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traveled and discovered in 1983 that

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a Soviet nuclear battery all right they

1987
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were in an area where suddenly there

1988
01:37:18,459 --> 01:37:15,110
were a lot of UFO reports and one or

1989
01:37:23,649 --> 01:37:18,469
more than one came in over this battery

1990
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which was shut down and lit the battery

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up in other words somehow remotely

1992
01:37:36,669 --> 01:37:31,219
turned it on and it started a countdown

1993
01:37:40,390 --> 01:37:36,679
to fire its missiles now according to

1994
01:37:44,050 --> 01:37:40,400
what Knapp's report had to say this had

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01:37:46,979 --> 01:37:44,060
those people so concerned they were sure

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they were virtually on the cusp of

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igniting a nuclear conflict and at the

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01:37:57,459 --> 01:37:55,460
last few seconds the UFOs left and

1999
01:38:01,120 --> 01:37:57,469
everything shut down but they were

2000
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:01,130
within seconds according to George Knapp

2001
01:38:09,700 --> 01:38:05,690
of launching their nuclear weapons now

2002
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:09,710
what does that tell me that tells me

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01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:14,090
that a message was being sent to the

2004
01:38:21,160 --> 01:38:17,570
Russians just like in the Dakotas in the

2005
01:38:24,910 --> 01:38:21,170
70s a message was being sent to the

2006
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:24,920
American establishment and in 67 the

2007
01:38:30,209 --> 01:38:27,290
same thing now let's not forget what

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01:38:33,310 --> 01:38:30,219
happened over Antwerp in the very early

2009
01:38:36,189 --> 01:38:33,320
1990s do you guys remember when that UFO

2010
01:38:39,459 --> 01:38:36,199
flap happened yeah and the Belgian took

2011
01:38:45,310 --> 01:38:39,469
triangles right right now what is

2012
01:38:47,950 --> 01:38:45,320
Antwerp ahead quarters in NATO okay NATO

2013
01:38:50,470 --> 01:38:47,960
is is is the headquarter to have their

2014
01:38:54,399 --> 01:38:50,480
headquarters there these things were

2015
01:38:56,490 --> 01:38:54,409
coming in they were being chased by the

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01:39:00,490 --> 01:38:56,500
Belgian Air Force they were sending up

2017
01:39:04,330 --> 01:39:00,500
f-16s these Jets were going up getting a

2018
01:39:07,780 --> 01:39:04,340
missile lock on these craft whatever

2019
01:39:09,370 --> 01:39:07,790
they were and these craft could break

2020
01:39:11,770 --> 01:39:09,380
the missile lock

2021
01:39:15,970 --> 01:39:11,780
within punitive and this went on for

2022
01:39:20,380 --> 01:39:15,980
some time now that told me once again

2023
01:39:23,470 --> 01:39:20,390
one is sending a message and the message

2024
01:39:26,350 --> 01:39:23,480
is hey you guys think you're so hot well

2025
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guess what you're not that hot look what

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we can do if we want to and that had to

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be terrifying to the to the

2028
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establishment authorities well you'd

2029
01:39:38,020 --> 01:39:36,470
think though that there would be other

2030
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ways for some sort of advanced

2031
01:39:42,970 --> 01:39:40,400
technological race to make contact and

2032
01:39:44,860 --> 01:39:42,980
get their point across in brothers and

2033
01:39:47,980 --> 01:39:44,870
going about it and in these sort of

2034
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offhanded ways I mean I see what you're

2035
01:39:51,610 --> 01:39:49,760
saying and it's really tempting to think

2036
01:39:53,440 --> 01:39:51,620
that but when we look back at some of

2037
01:39:56,740 --> 01:39:53,450
the cases like I was looking back at the

2038
01:39:59,620 --> 01:39:56,750
UFOs and nukes claims and I always look

2039
01:40:01,120 --> 01:39:59,630
at the skeptic side as well and I was

2040
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:01,130
looking at one of the believe it's the

2041
01:40:04,570 --> 01:40:02,930
sunlight issues and there's an actual

2042
01:40:07,540 --> 01:40:04,580
picture of the component that failed

2043
01:40:09,340 --> 01:40:07,550
from one of the missiles and it had a it

2044
01:40:10,810 --> 01:40:09,350
had short-circuited and that was part of

2045
01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:10,820
the guidance system and the whole thing

2046
01:40:15,100 --> 01:40:13,250
automatically shuts down when it fails

2047
01:40:17,980 --> 01:40:15,110
and that would be perfectly normal I

2048
01:40:20,980 --> 01:40:17,990
mean things do fail yeah but when did it

2049
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:20,990
fail it failed when the UFO came into

2050
01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:25,970
the nuclear weapons storage area that's

2051
01:40:29,770 --> 01:40:28,370
a good point so I tried to follow that

2052
01:40:31,780 --> 01:40:29,780
back and it turned out that it was

2053
01:40:33,850 --> 01:40:31,790
mostly all hearsay from one person to

2054
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:33,860
another person retold and there was

2055
01:40:39,100 --> 01:40:36,530
really not a lot of confirmation but

2056
01:40:40,690 --> 01:40:39,110
let's suppose that that's the case well

2057
01:40:43,630 --> 01:40:40,700
what could they do that might cause that

2058
01:40:45,910 --> 01:40:43,640
to short-circuit maybe some kind of an

2059
01:40:48,820 --> 01:40:45,920
electromagnetic pulse might do that

2060
01:40:50,500 --> 01:40:48,830
and in the case of the missiles in the

2061
01:40:52,390 --> 01:40:50,510
US what happens is when there's a

2062
01:40:56,200 --> 01:40:52,400
something fails in the system the system

2063
01:40:57,490 --> 01:40:56,210
shuts down but in Russia from some of

2064
01:40:59,320 --> 01:40:57,500
the reading that I'd done they'd had

2065
01:41:00,700 --> 01:40:59,330
kind of a reverse system that was like

2066
01:41:02,260 --> 01:41:00,710
well if they're attacked and nobody's

2067
01:41:04,060 --> 01:41:02,270
left to push the buttons and something

2068
01:41:07,180 --> 01:41:04,070
goes wrong then the missiles will

2069
01:41:08,830 --> 01:41:07,190
automatically launch so if something

2070
01:41:10,420 --> 01:41:08,840
like that happened over there and

2071
01:41:12,730 --> 01:41:10,430
something got short-circuit it would do

2072
01:41:14,620 --> 01:41:12,740
exactly like what you were saying it

2073
01:41:17,200 --> 01:41:14,630
would send them into an automatic launch

2074
01:41:18,550 --> 01:41:17,210
sequence instead so I think that's

2075
01:41:21,250 --> 01:41:18,560
really interesting there could be a

2076
01:41:23,440 --> 01:41:21,260
causal factor but an electromagnetic

2077
01:41:26,590 --> 01:41:23,450
pulse isn't beyond our own technology

2078
01:41:29,100 --> 01:41:26,600
either so you know who knows for sure

2079
01:41:31,109 --> 01:41:29,110
exactly who was maybe it was

2080
01:41:32,850 --> 01:41:31,119
Russians doing some weird thing to ours

2081
01:41:36,450 --> 01:41:32,860
and and we did something back we don't

2082
01:41:38,459 --> 01:41:36,460
know for sure right we don't know if it

2083
01:41:41,459 --> 01:41:38,469
was an actual alien craft we just know

2084
01:41:44,459 --> 01:41:41,469
that something there's a rumor my friend

2085
01:41:47,340 --> 01:41:44,469
I never said alien never ever did I say

2086
01:41:51,300 --> 01:41:47,350
alien now this is something this is part

2087
01:41:56,760 --> 01:41:51,310
of the journey that I took over the last

2088
01:41:59,910 --> 01:41:56,770
roughly 30 years there was a time 2530

2089
01:42:04,530 --> 01:41:59,920
years ago when I was absolutely

2090
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:04,540
convinced of a nuts bolts explanation

2091
01:42:12,330 --> 01:42:07,810
for this but my thinking over the years

2092
01:42:15,359 --> 01:42:12,340
has changed dramatically I still think

2093
01:42:18,209 --> 01:42:15,369
it's possible that some of these in fact

2094
01:42:22,950 --> 01:42:18,219
very well may be nuts and bolts but I

2095
01:42:26,310 --> 01:42:22,960
have also looked very seriously at some

2096
01:42:29,370 --> 01:42:26,320
other possible explanations I become

2097
01:42:32,910 --> 01:42:29,380
more fluid in my thinking about this for

2098
01:42:37,140 --> 01:42:32,920
example what is the possibility and I

2099
01:42:42,060 --> 01:42:37,150
just did a very interesting show with

2100
01:42:46,050 --> 01:42:42,070
Walter Bosley about the possibility of a

2101
01:42:48,780 --> 01:42:46,060
breakaway race that for whatever reason

2102
01:42:52,439 --> 01:42:48,790
broke off from the surface of the planet

2103
01:42:55,770 --> 01:42:52,449
a very long time ago probably during the

2104
01:42:59,310 --> 01:42:55,780
last great catastrophic event that this

2105
01:43:02,850 --> 01:42:59,320
planet underwent roughly 12,000 years

2106
01:43:05,010 --> 01:43:02,860
ago when half of North America was

2107
01:43:09,180 --> 01:43:05,020
covered in ice and within a very short

2108
01:43:11,879 --> 01:43:09,190
time like a thousand years that ice was

2109
01:43:12,930 --> 01:43:11,889
all gone you know it's interesting when

2110
01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:12,940
you mentioned that because we've had

2111
01:43:19,109 --> 01:43:15,489
Walter on the show several times is that

2112
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:19,119
some of it mirrors the shaver mystery

2113
01:43:23,220 --> 01:43:21,010
legend except with shaver they went into

2114
01:43:26,850 --> 01:43:23,230
caves to protect themselves from the

2115
01:43:29,820 --> 01:43:26,860
Cataclysm so kind of sort of dovetails

2116
01:43:31,590 --> 01:43:29,830
of that so I know that Walter is a fun

2117
01:43:34,790 --> 01:43:31,600
fun guest we're always glad to have him

2118
01:43:37,379 --> 01:43:34,800
on to talk about this the other possible

2119
01:43:39,930 --> 01:43:37,389
explanation and and you've got to do a

2120
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:39,940
little research into areas like the

2121
01:43:45,090 --> 01:43:41,530
skinwalker ranch

2122
01:43:47,780 --> 01:43:45,100
what is the possibility that someone

2123
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:47,790
with a truly truly advanced

2124
01:43:56,310 --> 01:43:52,330
technological science is able to pop

2125
01:43:59,730 --> 01:43:56,320
through dimensionally and they're you

2126
01:44:02,820 --> 01:43:59,740
you get into some very weird spaces

2127
01:44:05,340 --> 01:44:02,830
there well that's true but the whole I

2128
01:44:08,540 --> 01:44:05,350
think that people have a tough time kind

2129
01:44:12,360 --> 01:44:08,550
of really defining what they mean by

2130
01:44:14,430 --> 01:44:12,370
dimensions and alien because most people

2131
01:44:17,250 --> 01:44:14,440
assume alien means extraterrestrial but

2132
01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:17,260
it doesn't have to be and people often

2133
01:44:22,380 --> 01:44:19,570
assume the dimensions means that there's

2134
01:44:25,650 --> 01:44:22,390
some sort of fifth layer of existence

2135
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:25,660
above that which we inhabit that they

2136
01:44:29,820 --> 01:44:28,090
can pop down in two hours from but

2137
01:44:32,100 --> 01:44:29,830
that's logically incoherent it's not

2138
01:44:37,410 --> 01:44:32,110
possible let's talk about other places

2139
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other things of the realities earth 33

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maybe on the other hand and helping me

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set up the show Chris promised there

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would be no pop-culture references no

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superhero references and nothing about

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Star Wars or Star Trek now I'm not a

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huge fan of Star Wars I know very little

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about Star Wars trivia so if you asked

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me any questions beyond what is obvious

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from the movies and such I wouldn't know

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the answers so I assure you there aren't

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gonna be any references to any of that

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stuff but I already gave a reference

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earth 33 there you go more to come with

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another dimension rather than stick here

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on earth while things were going bad

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I or I venture a guess anybody currently

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with this round table can say with any

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certainty I realize that a lot of this

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01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:48,510
is speculation however when you look at

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the preponderance of many of these cases

2220
01:49:02,780 --> 01:48:57,960
where unidentifieds are seen and some of

2221
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the areas that I have recently been

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looking at purely for my own edification

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are under water submersible objects

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objects that have been viewed by naval

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vessels people we have a spot here in

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Angeles and one of his students put us

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on to a an area off of cinema

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where the citizens down there the

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residents have routinely seen objects

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entering and leaving the water down

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there there have been a lot of cases out

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in the Pacific actually not too far from

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from California where these things have

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been sighted not just recently but for

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years and years I mean if you follow the

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trail of this and go back even to the

2241
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Second World War there have been a

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number of cases that have surfaced were

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naval vessels while on patrol and at

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that time we were fighting the Japanese

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Empire where they have encountered

2246
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inexplicable things in the water and in

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01:50:39,580 --> 01:50:38,120
some cases they reported leaving the

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water now what in the world was that

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01:50:46,930 --> 01:50:44,000
well unidentified objects now why would

2250
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they be down there if we're talking

2251
01:50:52,870 --> 01:50:50,210
about an extraterrestrial race coming in

2252
01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:52,880
from another star system well there's a

2253
01:50:56,650 --> 01:50:55,010
number of reasons that you could

2254
01:50:59,200 --> 01:50:56,660
speculate once again

2255
01:51:02,950 --> 01:50:59,210
pure speculation that for whatever

2256
01:51:06,480 --> 01:51:02,960
reason at some point they formed a base

2257
01:51:10,630 --> 01:51:06,490
and what better more secure location

2258
01:51:13,380 --> 01:51:10,640
then in the bowels of the ocean and I

2259
01:51:16,810 --> 01:51:13,390
think that that type of speculation is

2260
01:51:18,850 --> 01:51:16,820
completely coherent there's nothing

2261
01:51:21,010 --> 01:51:18,860
about it that doesn't make sense or

2262
01:51:24,550 --> 01:51:21,020
isn't possible from a scientific

2263
01:51:26,830 --> 01:51:24,560
perspective you're right with sufficient

2264
01:51:30,520 --> 01:51:26,840
technology sure they could swing it

2265
01:51:36,220 --> 01:51:30,530
but then again what about that thought

2266
01:51:40,240 --> 01:51:36,230
that perhaps 10 12 14 thousand years ago

2267
01:51:44,460 --> 01:51:40,250
there was an advanced civilization now

2268
01:51:48,250 --> 01:51:44,470
how advanced I couldn't even begin to

2269
01:51:51,430 --> 01:51:48,260
speculate although if you go back and

2270
01:51:54,040 --> 01:51:51,440
you review many files archeological

2271
01:51:56,740 --> 01:51:54,050
files we all have heard about new parts

2272
01:51:57,790 --> 01:51:56,750
out of place things that have been

2273
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discovered

2274
01:52:03,660 --> 01:52:00,770
that there's simply no explanation for

2275
01:52:08,049 --> 01:52:03,670
well there is one possible explanation

2276
01:52:11,109 --> 01:52:08,059
at one point there were advanced humans

2277
01:52:13,569 --> 01:52:11,119
here and if what happened

2278
01:52:17,020 --> 01:52:13,579
I think if what happened happened and

2279
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that was some type of astronomical event

2280
01:52:23,410 --> 01:52:20,500
a comet a small asteroid that impacted

2281
01:52:26,649 --> 01:52:23,420
somewhere in North America then which

2282
01:52:29,580 --> 01:52:26,659
caused the ice to melt and the oceans to

2283
01:52:32,290 --> 01:52:29,590
rise these people sought shelter

2284
01:52:34,089 --> 01:52:32,300
underground and perhaps some of them

2285
01:52:38,169 --> 01:52:34,099
chose to never come back out

2286
01:52:40,660 --> 01:52:38,179
and if that's true what is the

2287
01:52:45,100 --> 01:52:40,670
possibility that they truly have now a

2288
01:52:48,430 --> 01:52:45,110
very advanced civilization but then if

2289
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you really want to get wonky let's talk

2290
01:52:56,500 --> 01:52:52,300
about the Nazis let's talk about the

2291
01:53:00,040 --> 01:52:56,510
truly advanced explorations they were

2292
01:53:02,580 --> 01:53:00,050
making with avionics that went far

2293
01:53:08,850 --> 01:53:02,590
beyond the v2 rocket far beyond the

2294
01:53:11,169 --> 01:53:08,860
me-262 jet to der clock the Bell and the

2295
01:53:13,629 --> 01:53:11,179
rumors that for many years have

2296
01:53:16,419 --> 01:53:13,639
circulated about that advanced

2297
01:53:19,870 --> 01:53:16,429
technology now there's a whole trail

2298
01:53:24,879 --> 01:53:19,880
that I could go down the Byrd expedition

2299
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down to the RT in 1900 was at 46 47 and

2300
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what allegedly happened down there

2301
01:53:35,169 --> 01:53:31,940
so I mean we're left with many many many

2302
01:53:37,270 --> 01:53:35,179
questions and very very few answers well

2303
01:53:39,430 --> 01:53:37,280
that's true and a lot of it's really

2304
01:53:41,830 --> 01:53:39,440
interesting for sure it's part of

2305
01:53:44,049 --> 01:53:41,840
youthful lore and I think it deserves to

2306
01:53:46,240 --> 01:53:44,059
be mentioned for sure because it is so

2307
01:53:47,859 --> 01:53:46,250
interesting but a lot of it just doesn't

2308
01:53:49,839 --> 01:53:47,869
really pan out when you look at the

2309
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:49,849
parts I've looked into it and looked at

2310
01:53:54,010 --> 01:53:52,010
both sides and you know there might be a

2311
01:53:55,390 --> 01:53:54,020
couple of artifacts that maybe are a

2312
01:53:57,520 --> 01:53:55,400
little bit different but most of them

2313
01:54:00,010 --> 01:53:57,530
sort of turned out to be not really what

2314
01:54:01,930 --> 01:54:00,020
they were claiming and I think that if

2315
01:54:04,180 --> 01:54:01,940
there was a civilization capable of

2316
01:54:06,569 --> 01:54:04,190
building something like a mothership

2317
01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:06,579
we'd have a whole lot more in the way of

2318
01:54:10,350 --> 01:54:09,290
infrastructure remains and in evidence

2319
01:54:12,240 --> 01:54:10,360
and we have

2320
01:54:13,830 --> 01:54:12,250
it seems to make a whole lot more sense

2321
01:54:16,709 --> 01:54:13,840
what you're saying the first time around

2322
01:54:19,470 --> 01:54:16,719
that it was already made elsewhere where

2323
01:54:22,350 --> 01:54:19,480
there is no evidence and it came here

2324
01:54:24,629 --> 01:54:22,360
and that there are secret bases perhaps

2325
01:54:27,060 --> 01:54:24,639
somewhere here and that's why there's so

2326
01:54:28,740 --> 01:54:27,070
little evidence to back it up because

2327
01:54:31,260 --> 01:54:28,750
where they're made

2328
01:54:33,240 --> 01:54:31,270
just isn't here it's someplace else well

2329
01:54:36,359 --> 01:54:33,250
what if it's underwater

2330
01:54:41,010 --> 01:54:36,369
what if here's the thing Randall we

2331
01:54:45,120 --> 01:54:41,020
cannot even agree on President Kennedy's

2332
01:54:48,359 --> 01:54:45,130
assassination back in 1963 was it one

2333
01:54:51,479 --> 01:54:48,369
shooter was it three shooters was there

2334
01:54:53,820 --> 01:54:51,489
a conspiracy was there no conspiracy I

2335
01:54:57,300 --> 01:54:53,830
mean these are the kind of questions

2336
01:55:01,080 --> 01:54:57,310
that are on things that just recently

2337
01:55:03,180 --> 01:55:01,090
happened how can we deem to think we

2338
01:55:06,180 --> 01:55:03,190
know what was going on ten twelve

2339
01:55:08,879 --> 01:55:06,190
fourteen thousand years ago and how this

2340
01:55:12,390 --> 01:55:08,889
continent and the whole world for that

2341
01:55:14,640 --> 01:55:12,400
matter has changed geologically since

2342
01:55:18,359 --> 01:55:14,650
that time so you know when you when you

2343
01:55:23,160 --> 01:55:18,369
say well there's no proof that there was

2344
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ever any facilities or areas that we

2345
01:55:28,020 --> 01:55:25,150
discovered that may have been used for

2346
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advanced technology ten twelve fourteen

2347
01:55:34,169 --> 01:55:31,210
thousand years ago I'm saying well

2348
01:55:39,450 --> 01:55:34,179
that's for the most part probably true

2349
01:55:46,020 --> 01:55:39,460
but remember the oceans of the planet

2350
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raised 100 to 200 feet around the globe

2351
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how much land that was then there is now

2352
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under water and how much exploration

2353
01:55:58,680 --> 01:55:57,369
have we truly done beneath the waves now

2354
01:56:01,260 --> 01:55:58,690
I'm not saying that's the only

2355
01:56:05,720 --> 01:56:01,270
explanation but I'm saying that's what I

2356
01:56:08,640 --> 01:56:05,730
consider to be room for speculation oh

2357
01:56:10,379 --> 01:56:08,650
sure it doesn't hurt to speculate but I

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think that there's a hierarchy of

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reasonableness so what we need to do is

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kind of identify what we need mean by

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the word proof all proof is is enough

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evidence to make someone believe that a

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01:56:25,400 --> 01:56:23,489
claim is true

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01:56:27,200 --> 01:56:25,410
for some people the evidence doesn't

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01:56:29,630 --> 01:56:27,210
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01:56:31,520 --> 01:56:29,640
people it does I tend to have a little

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01:56:33,080 --> 01:56:31,530
bit higher standards in terms of what

2368
01:56:35,450 --> 01:56:33,090
evidence is required for me to believe

2369
01:56:38,840 --> 01:56:35,460
something so when there's not enough I

2370
01:56:42,050 --> 01:56:38,850
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01:58:39,240 --> 01:58:37,659
converter go to www.qcnet.com taking one

2407
01:58:41,370 --> 01:58:39,250
rule way for several years and

2408
01:58:43,680 --> 01:58:41,380
experience healing for severe intestinal

2409
01:58:45,870 --> 01:58:43,690
problem a car accident and the

2410
01:58:47,939 --> 01:58:45,880
deployment of an airbag caused to brakes

2411
01:58:50,040 --> 01:58:47,949
and crush bone in my left wrist my arm

2412
01:58:52,169 --> 01:58:50,050
swelled yet pain was minimum at one

2413
01:58:54,330 --> 01:58:52,179
point there was obvious to the eye that

2414
01:58:55,979 --> 01:58:54,340
the bone was misaligned and x-rays

2415
01:58:58,530 --> 01:58:55,989
confirmed the brake surgery was

2416
01:59:00,600 --> 01:58:58,540
immediately scheduled upon awake the

2417
01:59:02,790 --> 01:59:00,610
doctor entered and told me I was a very

2418
01:59:05,100 --> 01:59:02,800
useful case he said that when he opened

2419
01:59:08,339 --> 01:59:05,110
up my wrist he expected to see wrong

2420
01:59:10,500 --> 01:59:08,349
mangled bruised round me instead the

2421
01:59:12,300 --> 01:59:10,510
tissue was healthy and pink and even

2422
01:59:14,640 --> 01:59:12,310
right next to the broken bone it was

2423
01:59:15,300 --> 01:59:14,650
pretty yes he actually said I had pretty

2424
01:59:17,010 --> 01:59:15,310
fishes

2425
01:59:18,990 --> 01:59:17,020
during the three weeks between the break

2426
01:59:21,089 --> 01:59:19,000
and the surgery I became obsessed with

2427
01:59:22,859 --> 01:59:21,099
taking one wolf away during that time I

2428
01:59:24,780 --> 01:59:22,869
was taking it three times today it

2429
01:59:27,030 --> 01:59:24,790
seemed my body just craved it it all

2430
01:59:29,040 --> 01:59:27,040
beautifully healed in record time with

2431
01:59:30,810 --> 01:59:29,050
no sparking call eight eight eight nine

2432
01:59:32,160 --> 01:59:30,820
eight eight three three two five that's

2433
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eight eight eight nine eight eight three

2434
01:59:40,830 --> 01:59:38,739
three to five or visit sgna t.com the

2435
01:59:43,470 --> 01:59:40,840
answer to being in control of your own

2436
01:59:45,540 --> 01:59:43,480
health care is freedom from insurance

2437
01:59:47,760 --> 01:59:45,550
become part of a group of self-pay

2438
01:59:49,980 --> 01:59:47,770
patients that come together to share

2439
01:59:52,140 --> 01:59:49,990
each other's medical expenses individual

2440
01:59:55,080 --> 01:59:52,150
share amounts begin at 107 dollars a

2441
01:59:57,030 --> 01:59:55,090
month and 347 for families choose from

2442
01:59:58,680 --> 01:59:57,040
three health sharing programs holistic

2443
02:00:00,660 --> 01:59:58,690
treatments may be eligible for sharing

2444
02:00:02,970 --> 02:00:00,670
see guidelines discount programs

2445
02:00:05,340 --> 02:00:02,980
available for dental vision and pharmacy

2446
02:00:09,180 --> 02:00:05,350
go to Weber the on call org that's

2447
02:00:11,700 --> 02:00:09,190
Liberty on call dot org investing is a

2448
02:00:13,170 --> 02:00:11,710
long-term process how many times can you

2449
02:00:15,120 --> 02:00:13,180
think of in the last decade that the

2450
02:00:16,890 --> 02:00:15,130
stock market has destroyed retirement

2451
02:00:19,200 --> 02:00:16,900
funds for people just like you and me

2452
02:00:21,120 --> 02:00:19,210
for your existing IRA you need the

2453
02:00:21,690 --> 02:00:21,130
security that gold has provided for

2454
02:00:24,000 --> 02:00:21,700
centuries

2455
02:00:26,130 --> 02:00:24,010
remember gold has never been worth zero

2456
02:00:28,320 --> 02:00:26,140
capital gold would like to introduce you

2457
02:00:30,870 --> 02:00:28,330
to the home storage gold IRA

2458
02:00:32,730 --> 02:00:30,880
it's a self-directed IRA setup with all

2459
02:00:35,610 --> 02:00:32,740
the protection and tax benefits of an

2460
02:00:37,620 --> 02:00:35,620
LLC but the big difference in this IRA

2461
02:00:39,390 --> 02:00:37,630
is you invest in gold and you hold it in

2462
02:00:42,030 --> 02:00:39,400
your possession you can't do that with

2463
02:00:44,700 --> 02:00:42,040
stocks that's security you can transfer

2464
02:00:46,980 --> 02:00:44,710
any type of IRA hassle-free in days

2465
02:00:49,560 --> 02:00:46,990
please call right now I learn more and

2466
02:00:51,870 --> 02:00:49,570
will waive the $500 setup fee and give

2467
02:00:54,270 --> 02:00:51,880
you a free safe to store your gold eight

2468
02:00:57,210 --> 02:00:54,280
hundred five three five seven seven

2469
02:01:00,210 --> 02:00:57,220
eight nine eight hundred five three five

2470
02:01:02,610 --> 02:01:00,220
seven seven eight nine eight hundred

2471
02:01:04,920 --> 02:01:02,620
five three five seven seven eight nine

2472
02:01:08,580 --> 02:01:04,930
that's eight hundred five thirty five

2473
02:01:10,650 --> 02:01:08,590
seventy seven eighty nine fully cooked

2474
02:01:12,930 --> 02:01:10,660
ready to eat bacon I'm talking thick

2475
02:01:15,930 --> 02:01:12,940
meaty center cut presidential bacon

2476
02:01:18,300 --> 02:01:15,940
savory and delicious I buy some I use

2477
02:01:20,340 --> 02:01:18,310
some I store some awesome no

2478
02:01:23,250 --> 02:01:20,350
refrigeration needed with a ten-year

2479
02:01:25,860 --> 02:01:23,260
shelf life NASA pack technology bacon

2480
02:01:28,350 --> 02:01:25,870
fully cooked fully hydrated ready-to-eat

2481
02:01:30,780 --> 02:01:28,360
right from the pack bacon or warm and

2482
02:01:33,900 --> 02:01:30,790
served life-saving ready to eat bacon

2483
02:01:36,330 --> 02:01:33,910
ten year shelf-life bacon ships free at

2484
02:01:42,210 --> 02:01:36,340
fully cooked bacon calm fully cooked

2485
02:01:44,130 --> 02:01:42,220
bacon calm we'd like to hear from you if

2486
02:01:45,669 --> 02:01:44,140
you have a comment or question about the

2487
02:02:03,160 --> 02:01:45,679
para cast

2488
02:02:05,919 --> 02:02:03,170
okay so you were saying

2489
02:02:08,759 --> 02:02:05,929
Randall Murphy that you're not really

2490
02:02:12,310 --> 02:02:08,769
that enthused about the possibility of

2491
02:02:14,500 --> 02:02:12,320
earth-based UFOs then well that I think

2492
02:02:17,859 --> 02:02:14,510
that the evidence for that tends to be

2493
02:02:21,580 --> 02:02:17,869
less in terms of logic and actual

2494
02:02:24,040 --> 02:02:21,590
physical evidence than the alternatives

2495
02:02:27,189 --> 02:02:24,050
other things like dimensions are even

2496
02:02:30,299 --> 02:02:27,199
lower I would say but that doesn't rule

2497
02:02:32,350 --> 02:02:30,309
out the possibility of actual other

2498
02:02:34,390 --> 02:02:32,360
universes which is a different concept

2499
02:02:35,830 --> 02:02:34,400
altogether and that I find really

2500
02:02:38,410 --> 02:02:35,840
interesting and that's when we get into

2501
02:02:41,229 --> 02:02:38,420
the whole sort of matrix type theory

2502
02:02:43,270 --> 02:02:41,239
where maybe the universe is as we know

2503
02:02:45,189 --> 02:02:43,280
them are kind of like folders in your

2504
02:02:48,040 --> 02:02:45,199
computer and we've got the one we live

2505
02:02:50,350 --> 02:02:48,050
in here and one folder and another one

2506
02:02:52,870 --> 02:02:50,360
in another folder and that there's a way

2507
02:02:55,660 --> 02:02:52,880
to travel between them a cut-and-paste

2508
02:02:57,850 --> 02:02:55,670
type of affair where the information can

2509
02:02:59,080 --> 02:02:57,860
be sent from one to another and you

2510
02:03:01,719 --> 02:02:59,090
wouldn't call that interdimensional

2511
02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:01,729
ramble no I'd call it trans Universal

2512
02:03:06,069 --> 02:03:04,010
the interdimensional is a different kind

2513
02:03:08,020 --> 02:03:06,079
of concept because we have three

2514
02:03:10,239 --> 02:03:08,030
dimensions here and we have time which

2515
02:03:12,489 --> 02:03:10,249
isn't really a spatial dimension but

2516
02:03:14,649 --> 02:03:12,499
going above that it becomes problematic

2517
02:03:17,140 --> 02:03:14,659
logically to think that something can

2518
02:03:19,479 --> 02:03:17,150
pop in and out of some other allegedly

2519
02:03:21,939 --> 02:03:19,489
higher dimension and yet there's no

2520
02:03:24,370 --> 02:03:21,949
reason something couldn't be transferred

2521
02:03:25,989 --> 02:03:24,380
from another universe entirely where

2522
02:03:28,959 --> 02:03:25,999
they also have their same laws of

2523
02:03:31,750 --> 02:03:28,969
physics and whatever it is is composed

2524
02:03:33,549 --> 02:03:31,760
of materials that would be able to exist

2525
02:03:35,979 --> 02:03:33,559
in our universe the same as theirs

2526
02:03:38,199 --> 02:03:35,989
because both universes run according to

2527
02:03:41,109 --> 02:03:38,209
the same rules well I think that is

2528
02:03:42,819 --> 02:03:41,119
tomato tomahto yeah it's kind of it is a

2529
02:03:44,290 --> 02:03:42,829
bit of a semantic thing but it's an

2530
02:03:45,520 --> 02:03:44,300
important one because there are those

2531
02:03:47,919 --> 02:03:45,530
who believe well there are actually

2532
02:03:51,009 --> 02:03:47,929
higher dimensions in a spatial sense

2533
02:03:53,739 --> 02:03:51,019
beyond three and four or five and so on

2534
02:03:56,919 --> 02:03:53,749
and that's an entirely different concept

2535
02:03:59,080 --> 02:03:56,929
altogether it's sort of really it's not

2536
02:03:59,899 --> 02:03:59,090
quite the same as tomato tomahto when

2537
02:04:02,179 --> 02:03:59,909
you think about it

2538
02:04:04,219 --> 02:04:02,189
is an important difference but in casual

2539
02:04:07,370 --> 02:04:04,229
conversation I think people tend to use

2540
02:04:10,370 --> 02:04:07,380
the two interchangeably you know here

2541
02:04:13,850 --> 02:04:10,380
here's the thing you let's go back yeah

2542
02:04:18,409 --> 02:04:13,860
eight hundred years okay some poor

2543
02:04:21,649 --> 02:04:18,419
schmuck ran a file of the king and the

2544
02:04:24,020 --> 02:04:21,659
King made a determination we're going to

2545
02:04:27,859 --> 02:04:24,030
execute him now the guy that's going to

2546
02:04:32,540 --> 02:04:27,869
be executed does he really care if the

2547
02:04:34,939 --> 02:04:32,550
king is going to hang him behead him or

2548
02:04:38,419 --> 02:04:34,949
burn him at the stake he's still going

2549
02:04:41,540 --> 02:04:38,429
to be dead so that's that's how I see

2550
02:04:44,000 --> 02:04:41,550
this for casual conversation and it's

2551
02:04:45,919 --> 02:04:44,010
fine to look at things in general terms

2552
02:04:48,169 --> 02:04:45,929
but I think if you're going to have a

2553
02:04:51,140 --> 02:04:48,179
field like ufology that it's really

2554
02:04:53,569 --> 02:04:51,150
beneficial to establish what we mean in

2555
02:04:56,149 --> 02:04:53,579
more precise terms well here's the deal

2556
02:05:01,489 --> 02:04:56,159
okay we're talking about a topic that

2557
02:05:04,069 --> 02:05:01,499
has very few facts very little evidence

2558
02:05:09,229 --> 02:05:04,079
most and I've been doing this for a long

2559
02:05:11,870 --> 02:05:09,239
time most quote facts or evidence end up

2560
02:05:15,020 --> 02:05:11,880
being witness testimony now of course

2561
02:05:17,029 --> 02:05:15,030
there are videos that have been taken

2562
02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:17,039
there are photographs that have been

2563
02:05:23,810 --> 02:05:20,010
taken but the facts I think you'll admit

2564
02:05:26,359 --> 02:05:23,820
are few and far between right so when

2565
02:05:29,750 --> 02:05:26,369
you're talking about evidence and you're

2566
02:05:32,120 --> 02:05:29,760
talking about speculation I've really

2567
02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:32,130
got to think that now we're worth

2568
02:05:38,959 --> 02:05:35,010
reading regardless were treading on some

2569
02:05:42,589 --> 02:05:38,969
very thin ice now take for example a

2570
02:05:44,540 --> 02:05:42,599
case that I broke in 1992 and I'm gonna

2571
02:05:47,209 --> 02:05:44,550
sound like a broken record to gene and

2572
02:05:51,279 --> 02:05:47,219
Chris because I've talked about this

2573
02:05:55,399 --> 02:05:51,289
many times the sts-48 Space Shuttle

2574
02:05:58,850 --> 02:05:55,409
incident where over New Zealand and

2575
02:06:03,109 --> 02:05:58,860
Australia an unknown object was

2576
02:06:07,359 --> 02:06:03,119
encountered and something seemed to be

2577
02:06:11,689 --> 02:06:07,369
fired at this object this object took a

2578
02:06:13,279 --> 02:06:11,699
really violent evasive maneuver and then

2579
02:06:18,560 --> 02:06:13,289
swung back around

2580
02:06:23,450 --> 02:06:18,570
now just by what people like dr. Jack

2581
02:06:26,450 --> 02:06:23,460
kasher had to say about this and he did

2582
02:06:30,169 --> 02:06:26,460
some extensive research on that

2583
02:06:33,350 --> 02:06:30,179
particular case ok the skeptics were

2584
02:06:37,629 --> 02:06:33,360
never satisfied because let's face it

2585
02:06:40,549 --> 02:06:37,639
the skeptics will never be satisfied

2586
02:06:43,339 --> 02:06:40,559
it's not in their interest to be

2587
02:06:46,669 --> 02:06:43,349
satisfied so what do we have what what

2588
02:06:50,479 --> 02:06:46,679
do we end up with one of those cases

2589
02:06:53,959 --> 02:06:50,489
that should have been accepted much more

2590
02:06:57,109 --> 02:06:53,969
readily because of what the very facts

2591
02:07:00,950 --> 02:06:57,119
of the case showed and the fact that

2592
02:07:05,839 --> 02:07:00,960
NASA the day after I appeared on Larry

2593
02:07:07,790 --> 02:07:05,849
King Live encrypted that feed that was

2594
02:07:10,850 --> 02:07:07,800
basically the last time you ever saw

2595
02:07:13,850 --> 02:07:10,860
anything live from outer space that was

2596
02:07:16,399 --> 02:07:13,860
not under scrutiny by somebody at NASA

2597
02:07:18,290 --> 02:07:16,409
or the military it's kind of one of

2598
02:07:21,890 --> 02:07:18,300
those things that just kind of passed

2599
02:07:25,250 --> 02:07:21,900
into oblivion and that's unfortunately

2600
02:07:29,330 --> 02:07:25,260
what most of this field is really all

2601
02:07:33,830 --> 02:07:29,340
about the powers that be have one Ally

2602
02:07:37,459 --> 02:07:33,840
that they depend on to the nth degree

2603
02:07:40,250 --> 02:07:37,469
and that is the passage of time people

2604
02:07:42,770 --> 02:07:40,260
forget you know the human creature is a

2605
02:07:45,200 --> 02:07:42,780
funny funny creature they'll get all

2606
02:07:48,410 --> 02:07:45,210
excited for a moment then the next shiny

2607
02:07:52,189 --> 02:07:48,420
thing comes by out of sight out of mind

2608
02:07:54,350 --> 02:07:52,199
you guys agree with that oh absolutely

2609
02:07:56,600 --> 02:07:54,360
like what's going on with Fukushima it's

2610
02:07:58,459 --> 02:07:56,610
still spewing I think tons and tons of

2611
02:08:00,680 --> 02:07:58,469
radioactive water into the ocean every

2612
02:08:03,379 --> 02:08:00,690
day and if that was 20 years ago it

2613
02:08:05,359 --> 02:08:03,389
would be front-page news every day now

2614
02:08:06,919 --> 02:08:05,369
it's just like oh it's part of life and

2615
02:08:08,509 --> 02:08:06,929
we don't hear about it and we're not

2616
02:08:11,450 --> 02:08:08,519
allowed to hear about it they cover it

2617
02:08:14,569 --> 02:08:11,460
up exactly exactly and how much of that

2618
02:08:17,779 --> 02:08:14,579
fish the stuff that's harvested from the

2619
02:08:20,209 --> 02:08:17,789
Pacific Ocean that is being sold in

2620
02:08:22,430 --> 02:08:20,219
supermarkets and fish markets all around

2621
02:08:24,379 --> 02:08:22,440
this country how much of that is

2622
02:08:26,900 --> 02:08:24,389
radioactive and what are the long-term

2623
02:08:29,420 --> 02:08:26,910
effects because you know that rate

2624
02:08:31,400 --> 02:08:29,430
ei-chan is going somewhere oh absolutely

2625
02:08:33,470 --> 02:08:31,410
I've mentioned this before I think and

2626
02:08:35,990 --> 02:08:33,480
we had a high school student did a

2627
02:08:37,550 --> 02:08:36,000
science project where she went around

2628
02:08:40,130 --> 02:08:37,560
with a Geiger counter to the local

2629
02:08:42,260 --> 02:08:40,140
supermarkets and when she got to the

2630
02:08:45,320 --> 02:08:42,270
fish section the thing just went crazy

2631
02:08:48,020 --> 02:08:45,330
so how much more proof do you need and

2632
02:08:50,600 --> 02:08:48,030
how much did the media take that to

2633
02:08:53,030 --> 02:08:50,610
heart and and report on it yeah it was

2634
02:08:55,790 --> 02:08:53,040
in the paper and it was sort of glossed

2635
02:08:59,660 --> 02:08:55,800
over and people continue to buy their

2636
02:09:00,950 --> 02:08:59,670
fish and consume it and just there's

2637
02:09:02,720 --> 02:09:00,960
something really wrong with how that

2638
02:09:04,580 --> 02:09:02,730
whole thing is being handled but now of

2639
02:09:07,040 --> 02:09:04,590
course we're getting kind of off topic

2640
02:09:09,740 --> 02:09:07,050
from where we were but but you are right

2641
02:09:11,360 --> 02:09:09,750
that time tends to make people forget

2642
02:09:13,520 --> 02:09:11,370
about things that's where we started

2643
02:09:16,070 --> 02:09:13,530
with the show with all of the fakes and

2644
02:09:18,560 --> 02:09:16,080
frauds and so on that we're once exposed

2645
02:09:20,450 --> 02:09:18,570
and then again they pop up and start

2646
02:09:23,090 --> 02:09:20,460
with the same stuff so what do we do

2647
02:09:25,820 --> 02:09:23,100
what do you suggest on well the short

2648
02:09:28,310 --> 02:09:25,830
answer Randall you don't have a clue

2649
02:09:30,680 --> 02:09:28,320
well I'm really glad we've got people

2650
02:09:32,360 --> 02:09:30,690
like you done and it actually I'm really

2651
02:09:34,580 --> 02:09:32,370
glad that you made it on this time

2652
02:09:36,980 --> 02:09:34,590
because last time you had some problems

2653
02:09:38,450 --> 02:09:36,990
with your microphone or something but

2654
02:09:41,390 --> 02:09:38,460
your comments are really clear today

2655
02:09:45,230 --> 02:09:41,400
sounds good that's because I ended up

2656
02:09:48,350 --> 02:09:45,240
buying a Yeti blue mic and I'm telling

2657
02:09:51,650 --> 02:09:48,360
you what I love this mic plugs right

2658
02:09:53,540 --> 02:09:51,660
into my computer five stars you know we

2659
02:09:57,890 --> 02:09:53,550
should be getting advertising from Blue

2660
02:10:00,110 --> 02:09:57,900
Microphones so you have a blue Yeti so

2661
02:10:03,680 --> 02:10:00,120
does Chris I have the Yeti Pro in the

2662
02:10:07,250 --> 02:10:03,690
spark I got the snowball you see we're

2663
02:10:11,750 --> 02:10:07,260
all on it yeah I got I got to tell you

2664
02:10:15,710 --> 02:10:11,760
I've been as happy as a bear rooting

2665
02:10:16,100 --> 02:10:15,720
through a picnic basket alright Don

2666
02:10:19,010 --> 02:10:16,110
Ecker

2667
02:10:20,340 --> 02:10:19,020
Randall Murphy Jean and Chris you're in

2668
02:10:27,580 --> 02:10:20,350
the para cast

2669
02:10:37,620 --> 02:10:31,500
you are listening to GCN

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hopeless we have to find a totally

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got any ideas on what that totally

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different way is because you know you go

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even longer than I have

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okay you go back to the sixties now I

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had a definite interest in that and I'll

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never forget the Colorado study I mean

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you know in in 1964 my father who was

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there there were not many more grounded

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people than him came forward to me one

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night I think it was in the spring time

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five remember was a Friday and we were

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going to go as a family to that thing

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now that's extinct called the drive-in

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you remember drive-ins right I went to a

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drive-in a few times I did not grow up

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in a city where you had drive-ins

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but after getting married and living in

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the south we did go to drive-ins

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occasionally the thing about it though

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is I guess it's fun you sit in your own

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car and you do what you want and they

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take a speaker and they stick that

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from these side windows well that was

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the old days Jean that I mean they I

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remember when we were all like really

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super hyped because you could tune your

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FM radio to this and you could hear you

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didn't need that anymore yeah but you

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know what's interesting here the quality

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of the sound until you could use your

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radio

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I remember wasn't anger my god you know

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what the movie was 55 was at 55 days at

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Peking with oh Lord

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Charlton Heston David the British actor

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David well at any rate so we were

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getting ready to go to the movies

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okay the drive-in and lo and behold my

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dad suddenly jumped up he was reading

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the newspaper he shoved it in my lap and

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said here read this and it was a report

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about the socorro case okay the UFO

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socorro case had happened out in New

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Mexico now I mean those were the kind of

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things I remember as a kid and and when

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the hill still sightings broke of course

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anybody that was following you know and

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we didn't get a lot let's face it they

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were not reported often but then Jerry

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Ford got involved in it and that was one

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of the reasons the Colorado study ended

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up being run by the Air Force because

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people like Ford pushed it and I'll

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never forget waiting for the the final

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decision on what the thing was all about

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and you know that was later when I

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really looked in depth at it that was a

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whitewash from top to bottom because

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even with their negative report at the

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end the public report well there's

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nothing to this there's no national

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security considerations which was a load

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of poppycock the bottom line was they

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still were unable to to identify 30

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roughly 30% of the cases they looked at

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and people like Kehoe Jane okay was just

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outraged at this you know the whole

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thing was

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was yeah it was it was crap and the Air

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Force was able to publicly shut down

2864
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UFOs now did the UFOs go away

2865
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unfortunately

2866
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no whatever they were they didn't care

2867
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about the Colorado a report they kept

2868
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flying merrily along their way so yeah

2869
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for a very very long time I was

2870
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interested when I became professionally

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interested in it this is when I thought

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that with just the right case with just

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the right reports we can break through

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this stone wall and of course that was

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hubris on my part like I couldn't

2876
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believe today it was simply impossible

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02:19:47,040 --> 02:19:43,690
because there is a real concerted effort

2878
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to keep this thing shut down so I don't

2879
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see any any way in the foreseeable

2880
02:19:55,560 --> 02:19:50,620
future

2881
02:19:58,880 --> 02:19:55,570
with the possible exception of spaceman

2882
02:20:03,540 --> 02:19:58,890
Klaatu landing on the White House lawn

2883
02:20:06,030 --> 02:20:03,550
like in you know the the infamous movie

2884
02:20:08,551 --> 02:20:06,040
from 1951 The Day the Earth Stood Still

2885
02:20:13,350 --> 02:20:08,561
I don't see any other way that this

2886
02:20:14,940 --> 02:20:13,360
thing will ever be broken open yeah but

2887
02:20:18,470 --> 02:20:14,950
the question I would have here and just

2888
02:20:21,270 --> 02:20:18,480
to play devil's advocate if there is

2889
02:20:23,880 --> 02:20:21,280
concerted government secrecy about UFOs

2890
02:20:26,130 --> 02:20:23,890
other than obviously to be aware of

2891
02:20:30,330 --> 02:20:26,140
possible national security concerns and

2892
02:20:33,180 --> 02:20:30,340
to not release information that might be

2893
02:20:37,680 --> 02:20:33,190
secret if you have a secret like that

2894
02:20:40,230 --> 02:20:37,690
how do you keep it for 70 years well you

2895
02:20:42,320 --> 02:20:40,240
don't really I mean we've had leaks

2896
02:20:45,690 --> 02:20:42,330
we've had people who were officially

2897
02:20:47,370 --> 02:20:45,700
working in the Air Force who later wrote

2898
02:20:48,750 --> 02:20:47,380
books about it I mean we go back to

2899
02:20:49,680 --> 02:20:48,760
repeal like we talked about on a

2900
02:20:51,990 --> 02:20:49,690
previous show

2901
02:20:53,810 --> 02:20:52,000
yeah but Rupe out really didn't reveal

2902
02:20:56,220 --> 02:20:53,820
anything that we didn't already know

2903
02:20:59,340 --> 02:20:56,230
what happened here is he wrote a book

2904
02:21:01,520 --> 02:20:59,350
that's fun it in a way that you felt

2905
02:21:04,020 --> 02:21:01,530
maybe he believed in extraterrestrial

2906
02:21:07,239 --> 02:21:04,030
UFOs and then he writes three more

2907
02:21:09,250 --> 02:21:07,249
chapters and says Wow

2908
02:21:10,779 --> 02:21:09,260
not really I never believed in them

2909
02:21:14,319 --> 02:21:10,789
which may have been done under pressure

2910
02:21:16,449 --> 02:21:14,329
we don't know but again he was revealing

2911
02:21:19,090 --> 02:21:16,459
nothing that hadn't already been made

2912
02:21:21,489 --> 02:21:19,100
available all these cases had already

2913
02:21:25,359 --> 02:21:21,499
been publicized in other books except

2914
02:21:27,429 --> 02:21:25,369
for Zeus some of them were that's true

2915
02:21:29,529 --> 02:21:27,439
but it was still written by someone who

2916
02:21:32,170 --> 02:21:29,539
actually was part of the official

2917
02:21:34,840 --> 02:21:32,180
project and was on the inside and rode

2918
02:21:37,269 --> 02:21:34,850
in jet planes to the various bases and

2919
02:21:39,519 --> 02:21:37,279
talked in person with military people

2920
02:21:41,949 --> 02:21:39,529
there who had seemed them for themselves

2921
02:21:45,040 --> 02:21:41,959
chased them in the airplanes for

2922
02:21:46,899 --> 02:21:45,050
themselves and so that's entirely

2923
02:21:49,029 --> 02:21:46,909
different than what we have today where

2924
02:21:52,689 --> 02:21:49,039
we've got something like new fork that

2925
02:21:54,969 --> 02:21:52,699
gets cases emailed into them and you

2926
02:21:56,830 --> 02:21:54,979
know is how do we know that anything is

2927
02:21:59,469 --> 02:21:56,840
really happening anymore that that's

2928
02:22:01,620 --> 02:21:59,479
kind of where I've gone with the thing

2929
02:22:04,210 --> 02:22:01,630
is like yeah there's still reports but

2930
02:22:06,760 --> 02:22:04,220
with so many hoaxes and people just

2931
02:22:08,769 --> 02:22:06,770
playing pranks or whatever I mean who do

2932
02:22:11,590 --> 02:22:08,779
you believe how can you trust that a

2933
02:22:13,870 --> 02:22:11,600
report is true anymore you do have

2934
02:22:15,910 --> 02:22:13,880
people though going out and talking to

2935
02:22:18,309 --> 02:22:15,920
them you have Chris Rutkowski in Canada

2936
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and despite the other problems with

2937
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MUFON they have real field investigators

2938
02:22:25,899 --> 02:22:23,420
to go out there and we can talk all day

2939
02:22:29,319 --> 02:22:25,909
about the limitations of their process

2940
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and of their evidence gathering material

2941
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but people are interviewing those who

2942
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see UFOs and at least some efforts made

2943
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to get rid of the cases there are

2944
02:22:46,389 --> 02:22:42,499
obvious fakes or mistakes that's true I

2945
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and I think like you often say gene

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Ashley this is a witness it's the person

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themselves who is the focus of the

2948
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report I think that people who do have a

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genuine sighting they are the actual

2950
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evidence when people see something

2951
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that's because there's some photons that

2952
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have hit their retina and made an impact

2953
02:23:07,689 --> 02:23:04,399
within their visual cortex so it's not

2954
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purely just a subjective thing how its

2955
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interpreted is subjective but with some

2956
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careful investigation and some

2957
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questioning I think people can determine

2958
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at least on the surface whether

2959
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something is alien or possibly you know

2960
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advanced

2961
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of our own or just something else but

2962
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it's still not the same as having

2963
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someone in the the sphere of officialdom

2964
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in the airforce talking to actual pilots

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who have chased them in their jets

2966
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because they've been tracked on radar

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and they've locked onto them with their

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radar and they see them in the daytime

2969
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and try to catch them and they just

2970
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streak off I mean those kind of reports

2971
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to me are still the very best those

2972
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reports from the golden era before they

2973
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shut down the the public access to what

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they actually detect --mess be detecting

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them still today but because we don't

2976
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know we don't have that kind of

2977
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confirmation we're just left to assume

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that the investigator did a pretty good

2979
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job of talking to some person who's

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telling this historic we've got another

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Randall Murphy Jean and Chris you're in

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because evil forces on our distant

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see folks chris said there would be no

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pop culture here while we mentioned very

3095
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briefly The Day the Earth Stood Still

3096
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but only as an example of how we may

3097
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treat the arrival of a space being if

3098
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they arrived in a very public way but

3099
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I'm thinking here guys

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even if ufos or extraterrestrial that

3101
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ship has sailed if they were going to do

3102
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that they would have done it long a long

3103
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time ago you know there was a case back

3104
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in the 80s that at the time was a huge

3105
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case and the person most responsible for

3106
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that case used to be a user on the para

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cast Simone Mendes now back in the 80s

3108
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Simone was a young Air Force airman

3109
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working in a telecommunications center

3110
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and basically a report came in

3111
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ultimately it had to come through the

3112
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NSA the National Security Agency and for

3113
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years I heard through a number of

3114
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sources that a lot of what NSA was

3115
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listening for they had their antennas

3116
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pointed outward not inward now these are

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the people that can pick up every cell

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phone telephone call around the globe

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these are the people that can listen in

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on every landline in the globe these are

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the people that can tell you what you're

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typing on your computer while you're

3123
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typing it so their technical expertise

3124
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well I have no idea how advanced it is

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but according to this case and you guys

3126
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should remember this they detected a

3127
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flight of unidentified flying objects

3128
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coming in from deep space all the way to

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Planet Earth

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and these objects allegedly flew

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down over what was then the Soviet Union

3132
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do you guys remember this case I don't

3133
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recall it right off the top of my head

3134
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Suns fascinating that's here some more

3135
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yeah well at any rate she foolishly took

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a carbon copy of this teletype from her

3137
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duty station took it home with her the

3138
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long and the short of the story was she

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got busted the FBI came in basically

3140
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they threatened her with all kinds of

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horrible things including going to

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federal prison she had to cop this thing

3143
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up the people that apparently somebody

3144
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that she showed this to had ratted her

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out and this was one hell of a case now

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this was a case that Barry Greenwood and

3147
02:32:03,121 --> 02:31:59,561
Larry Fawcett got involved in now if

3148
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that case was true and I think there's a

3149
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lot of truth to this case this is

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another example of why this field has

3151
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gone nowhere because the lid is screwed

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down so tight and anybody in the

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military or in the intelligence services

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while they're still on active duty know

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that if they open their mouths draconian

3156
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things are going to happen to them other

3157
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than what we're talking about we're

3158
02:32:36,150 --> 02:32:32,771
talking about word of mouth we're

3159
02:32:39,150 --> 02:32:36,160
talking about people telling stories

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testimony and that's basically all they

3161
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are unless you can find something to

3162
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verify this you know used to be

3163
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newspapers if somebody was reporting

3164
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that Joe Blow robbed a bank you had to

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have two witnesses that you quoted that

3166
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said yeah I saw Joe Blow I saw yeah and

3167
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I saw him too

3168
02:33:07,411 --> 02:33:04,780
okay then you got a story today there is

3169
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no such thing I don't know where's the

3170
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field gonna go I honestly guys I think

3171
02:33:13,189 --> 02:33:12,431
it's going nowhere this is what I was

3172
02:33:15,229 --> 02:33:13,199
trying to get

3173
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the idea that maybe what we need to do

3174
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is just D focus our attention away from

3175
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the whole disclosure thing because

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although people who know that they're

3177
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real for themselves because they've seen

3178
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one or they've done their homework they

3179
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believe because they've looked at enough

3180
02:33:36,979 --> 02:33:33,779
reasonable information to go

3181
02:33:40,519 --> 02:33:36,989
it's just unreasonable not to believe it

3182
02:33:43,459 --> 02:33:40,529
the people who believe or know from

3183
02:33:46,010 --> 02:33:43,469
firsthand experience are enough that

3184
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maybe what we need to do is shift our

3185
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focus away from the infrastructure and

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disclosure and try to network closer

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with each other in some way shape or

3188
02:33:58,130 --> 02:33:56,489
form I know that's where the groups come

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in and then that gets into all kinds of

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politics you know I've tried a different

3191
02:34:05,989 --> 02:34:03,419
approach with usi but that hasn't been

3192
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working too well I mean we've got over

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2,000 members in 22 countries but we

3194
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don't communicate a lot but we know that

3195
02:34:15,349 --> 02:34:13,499
each other is out there I think that's

3196
02:34:18,829 --> 02:34:15,359
really important I think there's sort of

3197
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a family of firsthand witnesses and

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believers who are a substantial part of

3199
02:34:25,849 --> 02:34:23,969
the population that really know that

3200
02:34:27,619 --> 02:34:25,859
this is something true and then there's

3201
02:34:28,939 --> 02:34:27,629
all the rest that we started talking

3202
02:34:31,010 --> 02:34:28,949
about the scammers the people who

3203
02:34:32,840 --> 02:34:31,020
exploit the field the people who were

3204
02:34:35,539 --> 02:34:32,850
just maybe in it for the money or in it

3205
02:34:38,269 --> 02:34:35,549
temporarily but there's still the rest

3206
02:34:41,209 --> 02:34:38,279
of us we're still out here so part of

3207
02:34:43,579 --> 02:34:41,219
our society today knows it's real a good

3208
02:34:46,099 --> 02:34:43,589
chunk of it whether the powers that be

3209
02:34:48,199 --> 02:34:46,109
tell us or not and maybe we need to

3210
02:34:50,899 --> 02:34:48,209
focus on that instead of getting their

3211
02:34:53,719 --> 02:34:50,909
permission as if when they tell it to us

3212
02:34:56,659 --> 02:34:53,729
finally we're vindicated or something

3213
02:35:00,649 --> 02:34:56,669
what do you think of that well these are

3214
02:35:03,529 --> 02:35:00,659
all great ideas quite frankly however

3215
02:35:05,749 --> 02:35:03,539
like everything else affiliated with

3216
02:35:08,420 --> 02:35:05,759
this field you've got to have some

3217
02:35:11,059 --> 02:35:08,430
financial backing for anything you do

3218
02:35:14,840 --> 02:35:11,069
now how do you go about getting that

3219
02:35:19,189 --> 02:35:14,850
well I guess you could go fund me but

3220
02:35:20,420 --> 02:35:19,199
lacking money okay and it's unfortunate

3221
02:35:23,809 --> 02:35:20,430
but that's the bottom line

3222
02:35:25,830 --> 02:35:23,819
lacking money that's why this field has

3223
02:35:29,341 --> 02:35:25,840
never gone

3224
02:35:32,490 --> 02:35:29,351
why don't more academics and there have

3225
02:35:35,671 --> 02:35:32,500
got to be academics out there that have

3226
02:35:40,100 --> 02:35:35,681
an interest in this that their curiosity

3227
02:35:44,790 --> 02:35:40,110
is piqued but yet very few have ever

3228
02:35:46,650 --> 02:35:44,800
gained to enter this fray why well if

3229
02:35:50,160 --> 02:35:46,660
you want to go out and you want to get

3230
02:35:54,600 --> 02:35:50,170
grant money for your pet project it's

3231
02:35:58,230 --> 02:35:54,610
the kiss of death to say UFO that's just

3232
02:36:00,921 --> 02:35:58,240
a fact that is irrefutable if you say

3233
02:36:03,961 --> 02:36:00,931
well yeah I've got an interest in UFOs

3234
02:36:05,881 --> 02:36:03,971
well I mean Rockefeller and Bigelow are

3235
02:36:08,280 --> 02:36:05,891
two big people that with lots of money

3236
02:36:09,660 --> 02:36:08,290
that did put some funding into it but

3237
02:36:12,270 --> 02:36:09,670
yeah and what what happened with it

3238
02:36:16,350 --> 02:36:12,280
Bigelow Bigelow at one point what's

3239
02:36:18,301 --> 02:36:16,360
going to fund MUFON and Koufos and what

3240
02:36:20,881 --> 02:36:18,311
was it what was the other one gene the

3241
02:36:25,560 --> 02:36:20,891
fund for UFO research or something for

3242
02:36:28,230 --> 02:36:25,570
yeah but anyway he got pissed up and he

3243
02:36:30,150 --> 02:36:28,240
pulled the funding he wanted to call all

3244
02:36:32,580 --> 02:36:30,160
the shots he wanted to tell these

3245
02:36:35,341 --> 02:36:32,590
organizations you can do this but you

3246
02:36:37,890 --> 02:36:35,351
can't do that once again then what the

3247
02:36:40,410 --> 02:36:37,900
gold make the rules guys you got to wrap

3248
02:36:43,860 --> 02:36:40,420
it up but you can see how complicated it

3249
02:36:45,690 --> 02:36:43,870
is when people with money and power want

3250
02:36:48,570 --> 02:36:45,700
to help they want to exert their power

3251
02:36:51,600 --> 02:36:48,580
in exchange for their money Don Ecker

3252
02:36:53,671 --> 02:36:51,610
you've got the radio show back again

3253
02:36:56,461 --> 02:36:53,681
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3260
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3289
02:38:36,360 --> 02:38:33,399
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3290
02:38:38,189 --> 02:38:36,370
Don welcome back to the fold happy to

3291
02:38:40,960 --> 02:38:38,199
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3292
02:38:53,120 --> 02:38:40,970
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3293
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3294
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